So it's Fame and Popularity then.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
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So it's Fame and Popularity then.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
No. It's a part of hitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
No, that has nothing to do with performance...Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Well, I said contact, fielding, range, defense, pitching, power hitting, fielding, and fame and popularity. It must be plate discipline then, and that's BS if you think that's the most important facet of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Then your theory of baseball is BS, and you really do not understand the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
It's not strictly plate discipline. It's NOT MAKING OUTS, which, yes, is the most important facet of hitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
As Joe Morgan might say "To win a game of baseball, you have to score more runs then your opponents. You do this by not getting out, and scoring runs. If you score less runs, and don't get on base, you might not win."Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
And contact covers that... If you get alot of hits, you don't make alot of outsQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Contact does not cover that, because there is more to not making outs than contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Juan Pierre is a good contact hitter, but makes a ton of outs. Adam Dunn is not a good contact hitter, but is very good at not making outs.
You saying Jim Edmonds and Steve Finley have similar batting averages completely ignores that Edmonds has a big advantage in on-base percentage, which is a huge part of the reason why he's so much better than Finley.
No, it only covers a small part. Walking is WAAAAAY more important then you think. Considering nobody argrees with you, you should realize that you have it wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
You mean Pierre doesn't make many outs, and Dunn does.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Um, excuse me? What the hell?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Dunn makes loads of outs WTF. He has had over 160 strikeouts several seasons, bats like .250 every year...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Wow man. Just wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
There are more types of outs than strikeouts, and batting average measures how often you get a hit, not how often you get out.
Are you purposefully being stupid here, or what?
Look at On Base percentage. It combines hitting for average and walking. It will show you how important walking is. Dunn has a MUCH higher OBP, which produces more runs. Peirre does not walk much, negating his scoring value.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Pierre: 22 BBs in 2008
Dunn: 122 BBs in 2008
Tell me you're joking? You can't possibly be this ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
You do not know Metsguy then. Read his rant against players over 35, it is very infamousQuote:
Originally Posted by wahoosamC
You said Dunn doesn't make many outs. And he does. He gets at least 160 strikeouts a year, only gets a hit 1/4 of the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Dunn strikes out a lot. He does not make many outs.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Once again, there are more types of outs than strikeouts, and batting average does not measure how often you make outs.
And he walks more then enough to make up for it. Strike out is no worse then grounding out, or popping out.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
You can't count the strikeouts and batting average against him because THAT'S COUNTING THE STRIKEOUTS TWICE!!!!
You can say "He batted 122 for 517 with 164 K's" and take out the strikeouts "He batted 122 for 353 when he didn't strikeout (Which is .346).
Adam Dunn is one of the last players I'd want on my team...
And that is why no one will make you a GM, unless Dusty Baker becomes an ownerQuote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
*Walks away, shaking head and laughing hysterically*
That has nothing to do with the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Everything you've been saying is 100% completely counterfactual. Adam Dunn, whether you want him on your team or not, is very good at not making outs. Juan Pierre has twice led the league in making outs, and finished in the top 3 5 times. He makes a lot of outs. Adam Dunn has never finished in the top 10 in the league in outs.
This year, he made 403 outs. 81 players made more outs than him.
Adam Dunn sucks... that's why I wouldn't want him. And looking at his yearly salary, I've determined that he is officially the last player I'd want in baseball on my team. Out of everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
He does not have a yearly salary, HE IS A FREE AGENT! He will likely be underpaid for, he does not suck, he is incredible, one of my favorite playersQuote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Than the only possible conclusion is you're absolutely ignorant of baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Jeez, first you ONLY mention home runs and use that to conclude Finley = Edmonds, and now you're saying that a player who has nearly as many home runs in 8 years as Steve Finley had in 19 is the worst player in baseball.
And that's how I won an MLB trivia game at All Star FanFest last summer, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Oh boy, a trivia game.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Okay, ignore everything else that's been said that has completely proven you wrong.
This isn't even a matter of opinion, metsguy. The things you are saying are just completely untrue. They are 100% counterfactual.
But he barely ever gets hits. Marlon Anderson has a better career batting AVG then him. And he strikes out. ALL THE TIMEQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
I hope no one signs him, he doesn't deserve to be working in baseball
And I won that being absolutely ignorant of baseball, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Go ahead and tell me his yearly salary then buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Oh, and throughout his career Juan Pierre gets out in 66.4% of his plate appearances. Adam Dunn, on the other hand, only gets out in 61.9% of his plate appearances. So go ahead and tell me who makes more outs.
Adam Dunn has 5 consecutive seasons of 40+ home runs and a .360+ on-base percentage. Yes, he absolutely deserves to be playing baseball.
All you have to do is answer "Who won the 2003 world series"
You likely played against casual fansQuote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Or, another way to state it...Quote:
Originally Posted by wahoosamC
Juan Pierre has 890 more plate appearances than Adam Dunn, and has made 911 more outs.
Wow, a trivia game against a bunch of 12 year olds? I'm impressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234