Are there more current/unelected HOF'ers

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Jeter's not close to being done. I'll also say he's a mortal lock to go in on the first ballot regardless of whether or not you think he belongs, and regardless of when he retires from this point on. He's got 9 All Star Games, the RoTY, 3 Gold Gloves, 3 Silver Sluggers, 4 World Series rings, the whole "mystique", tons of postseason play, the special moments, etc. He's the writer's perfect candidate.

I'd also like to point out that according to Baseball-Reference, his top 4 comps, in order, are Barry Larkin, Alan Trammell, Ryne Sandberg, and Roberto Alomar. :)

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He's also only 465 hits away from 3,000. He could average 155 hits over the next three seasons to get there, and he's never had fewer than 156 hits in a single season (that was 2003, when he was injured). He's a shoo-in when he's all said and done.

Simply because he plays in New York, combined with all the postseason accolades, I could see him getting in even without 3,000 hits, but I'm sure he'll surpass that.

don't forget he dated Mariah Carey. Maybe she can throw out the first pitch for the Hall Of Fame game.
All kidding aside.
Jeter is definitely a lock. I'm curious though as to what pct of votes he'll get.

Yeah Jeter is pretty much guaranteed a first ballot lock, 3 undeserved GG's, an undeserved clutch reputation, an undeserved reputation as a great leader, and who could forget the best argument of all, he won 4 rings.

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Originally Posted by wahoosamC

Yeah Jeter is pretty much guaranteed a first ballot lock, 3 undeserved GG's, an undeserved clutch reputation, an undeserved reputation as a great leader, and who could forget the best argument of all, he won 4 rings.

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I'd agree with everything you said, except that. I don't see how his reputation as a great leader is undeserved, nor do I think that's up for anybody besides the players to decide.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Mark Prior, Andruw Jones, and Hank Blalock dropping from his list in just 3 years shows how little value there is in predicting HoF cases that early in a player's career.

And, I'm assuming that the list is in some sort of order of likelihood? How is Evan Longoria above Beltran, Halladay, Sizmeore, Berkman, Sabathia, and Webb? And yes, Jose Reyes deserves to be on that list if you're going to predict players out this far. And Roy Oswalt should not have dropped off

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If we're going out this far, then Pedroia is my super-early pick, who I really feel a lot better about then say Mauer.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Uh, he's very good at hitting?

You may not think so because, as I said, he's not ridiculously great at any one aspect of hitting but rather above average at every aspect of hitting, but put that all together, and he's a very good hitter (particularly once you account for his position).

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That brings up something that occured to me....without looking it up, Jeter is probably one of the best hitting SS's in the game. But he's really not good at SS. Should we reward him for playing out of position with a HOF spot?

I'd still give it to him for the rings, the famous clutch hits and the leadership in addition to the offense...It just doesn't seem fair to compare him to other SS's.

He's a shortstop. Whether or not he was "out of position" is irrelevant to the on-field value he provided his team. The Yankees, with Jeter at shortstop, were getting a lot more offense out of that position than most other teams. Yes, he hurt them defensively, and we should account for that, but it's not enough to put him on the outside looking in of the Hall of Fame.