REPORT: Giants Offer Manny Ramirez 4-Year Deal

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Originally Posted by filihok

Does UZR factor in outfield throwing data? I think not

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Not currently. I assumed rogue9 was talking about his overall impression of Rowand's defense, and not just his throwing arm. But, as I said, since this is likely the first year that rogue9 saw a lot of Rowand, his overall impression of his defense does match up with at least one statistic. It doesn't match up with FRAA which has Rowand at +2 in 2008 (and +6, +4, +13, 0 in the years back through 2004). UZR, though, is a more advanced system than FRAA (currently. BP is in the process of incorporating Play-by-play data into FRAA for the years for which it's available).

I was not using any statistical analysis, just my own eye. As I said, I saw Shierholtz make much better throws right after Rowand threw one off line several times. Rowand plays hard and tries every play, but it seemed like he was trying to hard to make something happen. My personal opinion is that he took too much personal responsibility for the team's losses and was trying to make up for it. And it seemed more often than not he ended up far off line with his throws home from deep center (in ATT), and make his characteristic diving plays, sometimes he'd come up good but others one of the corner out fielders would have to get the ball cause he was on the ground.

I love that he trys his hardest every time, and hes got the right attitude, but he was not by any means very impressive in CF.

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Originally Posted by rogue9

I was not using any statistical analysis, just my own eye.

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I know. I was just pointing out that your eye matches up perfectly with one of the more advanced defensive statistics.