REPORT: Giants Offer Manny Ramirez 4-Year Deal

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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop

The Giants are a small market team!??!?!?!? Agree with the sentiment...but I'd be surprised to hear that the Giants are considered a small market team.

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They aren't 'small market' but not one of the elite markets either. The example really is one more often with small markets but fit here with the Giants as well.

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

They are not, but they have stupid contracts. Rowand. Zito. Winn. Add Manny in, and you have another old guy on the downside of his career, and it will likely be around $23 Million, That over 4 years, and then all of the other contracts= A LOT of aging guys locked up for a while.

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tehy have had an aging team for 8 years!!!

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

They are not, but they have stupid contracts. Rowand. Zito. Winn. Add Manny in, and you have another old guy on the downside of his career, and it will likely be around $23 Million, That over 4 years, and then all of the other contracts= A LOT of aging guys locked up for a while.

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would you prefer they go with youth which isn't ready and lose 100+ games? They are trying to do what fans 'claim' they want teams to do...spend money and try to compete yearly. Its not their fault zito sucks.

Signing Manny Ramirez wouldn't be a stupid move for the Giants. Signing Manny Ramirez for four years would be.

I'd say Rowand isn't on the downfall, he is one of their best offensive/defensive players. WHICH isn't saying much, but he puts up consistent numbers year in and year out when he doesn't break his face.

If they signed Manny, he could play rover, and Rowand and Winn could play a two man outfield.

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Originally Posted by bucher34

I'd say Rowand isn't on the downfall, he is one of their best offensive/defensive players. WHICH isn't saying much, but he puts up consistent numbers year in and year out when he doesn't break his face.

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wow, did you see his season in 08? For all the hype around his defense, I was very dissappointed when he came to SF. And his offense stinks to, which I expected.

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Originally Posted by dickay

would you prefer they go with youth which isn't ready and lose 100+ games? They are trying to do what fans 'claim' they want teams to do...spend money and try to compete yearly. Its not their fault zito sucks.

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It is their fault that they signed him when all signs pointed to "run away fast"

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Originally Posted by rogue9

wow, did you see his season in 08? For all the hype around his defense, I was very dissappointed when he came to SF. And his offense stinks to, which I expected.

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He probably was afraid to break his face again.

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Originally Posted by bucher34

I'd say Rowand isn't on the downfall, he is one of their best offensive/defensive players. WHICH isn't saying much, but he puts up consistent numbers year in and year out when he doesn't break his face.

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This past season he sucked, and did not break his face... Hmmm, shows what happens when you leave a hitters park....

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

This past season he sucked, and did not break his face... Hmmm, shows what happens when you leave a hitters park....

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He didn't suck. He did what he did in 2005 and 2006. Low 90's OPS+ with solid center field defense, solid player, not worth the contract though.

The Giants can get Manny, as long as the Mets don't get him I'll be happy.

I'm sorry, but I have seen much better CF def in ATT than his. He made alot of bad throws trying to throw the runner out. He just doesn't have the accuracy for that.

I think Shierholtz could do a better job playing center than him. From what little I have seen of him, he has a very strong, and pretty accurate arm. I saw him show Rowand up with his arm a couple times at the end of the season.

Thats why I wish the Giants could move Winn too, I want to see Shierholtz.

FWIW, rogue9, your "analysis" agrees with Ultimate Zone Rating, which scored Rowand at -12 runs in 2008, but that could just be that he had an off year, as he was above average every other year of his career.

Does UZR factor in outfield throwing data? I think not