Dont tell Jeter though, he makes the majority of his salary because of those silly nicknames and gold gloves :PQuote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
And we all know about his fielding.
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Dont tell Jeter though, he makes the majority of his salary because of those silly nicknames and gold gloves :PQuote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
And we all know about his fielding.
no titles are won on Dec 23rd. We'll see how it pans out. As for the lineup, I've seen better.
The point of the illustration with Jeter is not completely to hack on him, it is to show that as players get closer to a reasonable sample size (and 495 AB isn't even reasonable in terms of using it to predict future performance: it's more like 1500 PA: hence the emphasis you see on stats from the previous 3 years on ESPN and other websites) the more they will fall into line with their overall regular season numbers, which are based on a little over 9000 PA in Jeter's case. Most players will never come close to the number of post season plate appearances that Jeter has. Therefore, the better predictor of future performance is the overall regular season numbers, not the playoff numbers.
That would make sense, except that ticket prices are not connected to player salaries. The opposite is somewhat true (player salaries being connected to ticket prices) in that revenue determines the salary decisions that teams will make. Based on statements that I've seen in the press and more importantly the Yankees current behavior, it appears that their organization is either comfortable with their existing revenue streams or they are comfortable with the possibility of operating at a loss for a period of time. Either way, from our perspective, the end result is that (barring unforeseen problems) it's tough to make a case that these signings are any sort of big mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
Yep, there's really no logical reason to think that anybody would be a better player in the postseason than they are at other times of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
In fact, if a player were to be consistently bringing in better numbers in the playoffs, what would that say about him other than that he was slacking off in the regular season? Why is he not doing his best all year?
To expand on this, given the higher quality of competition in the playoffs, you'd expect most players to be worse in the postseason than they are in the regular season, as there's not usually any bottom-of-the-barrel guys to feast upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayC
I'm sure there are players that when the light shines it's brightest they don't perform as well, but by and large the idea of good/bad postseason hitters is absurd.
This really sucks. The Yankees are terrible for baseball by spednign all this money that NO OTHER TEAM could. Sure, I understand the Burnett and CC signings, but COME ON! I found out at ESPN zone, and that was a long trip home :(
I, and many others, hope that these three big signings blow up in their faces and the Yankees Front office (especially Hank, the biggest SOB, complainer and dumbass in the major leagues) finally realize thet actually have to put some effort into winning, not just throwing half a billion dollars at the best free agents.
lol
sorry, those types of comments just make me laugh every time.
I am sick of the city of New YorkQuote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
I have never hated the Yanks more. See rant above.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
All they do is buy out the league and then whine because they do it wrong. I will laugh when Tex, CC, and Burnett get season ending injuries and Wang breaks his foot running the bases. I really, REALLY hope the Brewers overworked CC. But oh well, it is funny that the Yanks have to spend so much just to finish 3rd. And now they have Arod for 10 years and Tex for 8. Yeah, have fun with those contracts. All I have to say about Hank is this: **** you, you sore loser.
What's wrong with the Mets? They're the loveable underdogs of baseball!Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Agreed whole-heartedlyQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Were in the 60's? In that case I am going to go back to watching I Love Lucy or Star Trek, and spin some Beatles. Maybe I will get some of those new bell bottoms and a hair cut like Ringo.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
I Love Lucy is from the 50sQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Bell bottoms are from the 70s
Star Trek is like the 80s
And I doubt you'd be "spinning" the Beatles, because DJs didn't really become popular until the 70s
:D
The yankees spending half a billion dollars will just make it that much better for Red Sox fans when we finish higher then them in the standings
Why are people so upset about the Yankees spending money from their endless revenue streams on their team? Where you should be directing your wrath is at the Commissioners Office specifically to fix the draft. It was originally set up in 1965 to prevent rich teams from buying up all the amateur talent. It has become broken recently because of the soft enforcement of the slot money rules. Don't go over slot. Why not? Because uncle Bud says so is not exactly preventing some of the premium talent from falling to the teams that can pay the idiotic bonus demands. It's the life line of the small market teams and it's become a joke as more and more rich teams with a crappy position in the draft somehow still seem to wind up with some of the better players. Hmmm. How exactly is this any different from the situation that existed pre-1965? We're not quite there yet and we probably never will be (I don't envision B, C, D, and E leagues existing again, but you never know) but the draft is going in a direction that's away from its original purpose of being one way to help struggling teams. That bothers me far more than $423.5 million being thrown at 3 free agents by the richest team in baseball.
That's a good point. I keep reading about draft picks that could've/should've been picked higher, but get passed over by small market teams, and picked up by the Sox or something. Lars Anderson was the one I was reading...signing bonus was too rich.
Between that and the international free agents, you;re right, those are big concerns. Perhaps moreso than the Yanks doing that normal Yankee thing.
Nothing much is going to change...the league isn't interested in making things more fair. They just want to make money and have the ratings....NY and Boston being good gets them better ratings...thus they can mostly do whatever they want. It's always going to be that way.
This thread is kind of comical. I have no probs with the yanks spending money, its the system and really they're just 'replacing' payroll shed already. They are also 'replacing' stats. Yes, Tex is most certainly an upgrade on their offense but they also lost Giambi, and Abreu, the latter has been a pretty consistent and solid offensive talent.
Those chiming in with crazy expectations for this offense shouldn't be so quick to jump for joy. I don't see it as marketably better than Bostons by any means. For the comments about all the questionmarks with Bostons offense (Papi, Lowell, Yuke, Drew, C, SS) one could easily counter with the same for NYY (CF, Posada, Cano, Nady, Matsui, Damon). I personally don't see Yuke or Drew as questionmarks at all but hey...to each there own.
Anyhow, I don't see the Yanks 'that' much improved offensively over last year, though obviously they are greatly improved 'pitching' wise. Even with that I don't see it marketably better than the Sox. CC while great second half last year, and really over the past two years is solid...the Sox could counter with Beckett or Lester with minimal dropoff and equal question marks. Burnett is solid when healthy, but not quite the talent of Beckett or Lester at their finest IMO. Wang, coming back from a tough injury...he's good but again, equivalent in talent.
The Sox now, I actually like passing on Tex. He'll give 10-12 more HR"s per year than Yuke on average (it wasn't a career year, he's developing still into a power threat), RBI's are more a function of the team and position in the lineup. I don't see him as a 15 - 18 million dollar improvement over Yuke at 1st. I also would wonder how team chemistry would be effected by adding a 25 million dollar bat and moving an MVP candidate who is making less than his value to a new position to do so.
The Sox need another bat yes, largely for versatility in case of injury specifically in the IF but also in the OF. The excess money not spent can easily find a suitable candidate. More importantly, I think Derek Lowe can help the team more than Tex could next year, and I hope they grab him. Another inning eating SP'er is exactly what the Sox need.
whats the point of baseball unless your a yankee fan? Maybe the billion yankee fans are happy, but baseball just went down with this, especialy with the teams we have now who are cheap to get a decent player. But if the MLB allows this, fine. Guess when the sport in general goes down they'll see what happens. I'll stick to the NFL now on, where every year a team down in dumps comes and competes, why, because of damn salary cap! Another rougher year for the O's. :(
this is not new...and attendance has rose every year over the past decade. also, as far as I know...their payroll is equivalent to last years. let it go.Quote:
Originally Posted by raveneye217
Salary cap is cool, but when a team is bad, they're BAD in the NFL compared to the MLB, or at least it seems like that from the small schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by raveneye217
Somewhat off topic, but man did you guys see the Lions after their loss? I felt bad for them (although i still want to see them lose every game). I think Calvin Johnson said it best when he said something along the lines of "Some of these rookies don't even know what it feels like to win a game yet". Hah.
Is any NFL team really, chronically "up against" the salary cap these days?Quote:
Originally Posted by raveneye217
I ask because I really don't know. At first blush, it's just my impression that most teams' personnel gurus got the thing figured out to the point where it's really not much of a factor in their day-to-day operations and number-juggling.
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i would say this is highly inaccurate. there are 'cap casualties' every season, contract restructuring etc.etc.etc. I think its a huge factor in all transactions.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetMedic
Don't quite know what this means, but I'd say teams are BAD when they are bad in MLB as well lol.Quote:
Salary cap is cool, but when a team is bad, they're BAD in the NFL compared to the MLB, or at least it seems like that from the small schedule.
Negative. Sox arn't panicking. I still project their offense to be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
Dont really think anyone is over, however, you never see these 100 million dollar deals happen. NFL has good parity, even though if the Lions are going to go 0-16 they arent completely be overmatched as some teams will be against the yanks next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetMedic
I love how freaked out everyone is getting because the Yanks have the unmitigated gall to spend EXACTLY AS MUCH MONEY as last year.
which was still too much money. AND they still do not have a full roster yetQuote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
there's no crying in baseball
:rolleyes: red sox fans saying the Yankees spend too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
LOL @ the Yankee homers here. Even with Tex, their D is still a big question mark. But this was their best move this offseason.
They spend more then us..... ;). And we have gotten better, Theo is much better at developing.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
Im wondering if the Yankees can afford these contracts in a down economy? I know they have the cable deal which helps. But what if they dont sell seats? Could this come back to bite them?
I haven't read this whole thread, so if it's already been asked and answered, just disregard and I will know to back and read the whole thing.
But I'm wondering exactly how many draft picks the Yankees are losing?:p
Please provide evidence that this is "terrible for baseball." If anything, it's going to provide for an absolutely riveting 3-way race in the AL East, which, I think, is great for baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by twinsGM
All the anti-New York guys do is whine about the Yankees buying players, and then whine some more because their team can't (even if their team does. We all know that the Yankees are the only team that buys free agents!), and then rub it in Yankee fans faces when the Yankees don't do as good as expected. That's SO much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedSoxRockies
Jealousy?Quote:
Originally Posted by actionjackson
Really. So quick we forgot the 1,000 run 2008 Detroit Tigers...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Well said. It's just that the Yankees have changed things with their offense, so people are ready to claim it's so great, while Boston has stood pat, creating an "illusion" that the Yankees are passing them in terms of offensive talent, when in reality, they're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
It's not really relevant since it's not happening, but moving Youkilis to third might actually serve to IMPROVE his status as an "MVP candidate", because a) his bat is more valuable at the other corner and b) he's a good defensive third basemen.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
To root for your team winning? Maybe you haven't noticed, but the last time the Yankees won the World Series was 2000. The last time they were in the World Series was 2003. This millennium, 8 different teams have won the World Series. EIGHT in 9 years. Sorry to be so blunt, but stop bitching about the Yankees.Quote:
Originally Posted by raveneye217
You know, I'm really REALLY sick of this nonsense. This free agent stuff has been happening MORE recently, and competitive balance has been IMPROVING.Quote:
Originally Posted by raveneye217
From 1936-1964, the Yankees won 22 American League pennants. During a 29 year stretch, the Yankees were the AL representative in the World Series 76% of the time.
Yeah. This never happens in baseball. Nope. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by raveneye217
Yay. More money in the pockets of the owners, instead of letting them spend it to improve their team!Quote:
Originally Posted by raveneye217
What he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I'll comment on this. I wouldn't say it's 'terrible'. But it's not good. Where's the pride? Where's the 'playing for my hometown team?' I'm not mad at the Yankees. And i have NO NO problem with them lavishing Jeter with money...I'm just a little disgusted at the greed of the players. Just a little. I can certainly see the flipside that every player should make as much money as he's worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
And so no one thinks I'm just anti-Yankee....where's the pride in playing in pinstripes? In playing for a storied franchise? Talk about your three mercenaries.
No...no, I don't think it's good for Baseball when three players choose a team almost purely based on monetary considerations.
How the hell do you know why Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixeira signed with the Yankees? Honestly, who the hell are any of us to decide the reasons the players signed for? We don't know them.
None of that at all is evidence for how this is bad for baseball. Even if we say that these players chose a team placed purely on money (which we absolutely cannot say because we don't know the players), that says nothing about how it's bad for baseball.
I'd argue that all three players are thinking about more then money anyway. Their reaching for the ultimate Brass Ring in baseball: a World Series ring.