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I wasn't talking about anybody here, but rather, just in general. I'm not seeing the mass flood of articles demanding that teams stop doing this...yet the minute Mark Teixeira signed with the Yankees, each major media outlet had 15 different people clamoring for a salary cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
The crying about Miguel Cabrera not being the franchise player of the Marlins and that being the big market team's faults is pretty hilarious.
the salary cap would be placed probably in the neighborhood of 120 million. Jeffrey Loria spends somewhere between 20 and 30 million a year. How would a salary cap make him and all the other cheap-ass owners spend more? Are you trying to tell me that, with a salary cap: A: Miguel Cabrera would only ask for like 10 mil for 5 years? (no) or B: Loria would just decide to spend 80 mil extra to get near the cap? If he would, that makes him a completely horrible owner.
The salary cap argument is completely ridiculous because the small-market teams don't even try to hold onto their players, and if it weren't the Yankees getting all of the players, someone else would. If the Pirates, Twins, Marlins, etc. don't want to spend $110 mil pre-salary cap, how on earth can I expect them to spend that money with a salary cap? Furthermore, if Teixeira just signs with the Angels or Red Sox, doesn't the same problem still exist regardless of what the Yankees do?
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The salary cap argument is completely ridiculous because the small-market teams don't even try to hold onto their players,
Remember when the Twins tried to hold onto Santana? What was their offer, something like 2 years, 45 mil? In what universe was that going to be remotely acceptable, salary cap or no?Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
No, the Twins offer last year was supposedly 5/100.
See this. The Twins asked Santana to cut them a bit of a break out of "loyalty"...loyalty their ownership group has never shown.
I cant believe this topic is still being debated. For some of those, if I hear you quitting your job to go to another company because you will get paid more, you will be hypocrites.
Did you just choose to ignore the whole 'Salary FLOOR' part of the discussion, or are you selectively blind? And yes, I DO include the other massive spending teams when I'm talking about this, it's not just some simplistic hatefest of the Yankees.Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
And since we're speaking about owners cheaping out and not dropping a dime on their own franchise, well, that IS a matter that should be of concern because it makes this whole laughable disparity a thousand times worse. Hell, I say go for the throat...if you can't or won't run your franchise in the best interests of the league, it's auction time for your franchise. After all, eventually fans are going to stop showing up to your games (as is already happening in Florida and did happen in Montreal) which is not exactly a healthy situation for the rest of the sport to have to deal with.
Yeah, because that's a comparable situation...multimillionaire athlete vs. me making $17.75 an hour to run a warehouse. Besides, we aren't discussing perceived 'greed' on the part of players, so I fail to see why this ridiculous point was even brought up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
What other "massive spending teams" are there? As I mentioned earlier, the difference between the Yankees and the number 2 team is as large as the difference between the number 2 and the number 22 team. Yes, there's some teams spending $100 million on salaries and some under $50 million, but I don't see how or why that needs to be changed. The simple fact of the matter is that some teams are better run and make more money, and they shouldn't be penalized and not allowed to reap the benefits of their success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
Whatever. Look, clearly this is one of those diametrically opposed arguments that's just going to stay that way...and I'm in a frigging crapass mood anyway, so I'm done.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Well I figured it was implied by the content of my posts that I'm pro-salary floor. But that doesn't change the fact that any sort of salary cap would change nothing except unfairly penalize the Yankees, Mets, and Red Sox for having money. Even with a corresponding salary floor, the salary cap would be a bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
Remember that Japanese dude that you guys payed $51 mil to negotiate with?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelb1
It really is, I dont see how it isnt. Everyone wants to make the most money they can. Loyalty doesnt apply to an occupation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
Even allowing the disanalogous signing of Dice-K...that's, what three in 10 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
it WOULD lower player costs because the high spending teams would not be able to negotiate for the hure f/a guys once they are at the cap
say the cap was 110 million
the top 9 guys would not have been ablt to sign texeria, sabathia, maybe burnett... etcCode:2008 Team Payrolls
No. Team Payroll Average
1. New York Yankees $209,081,579 $6,744,567
2. Detroit Tigers $138,685,197 $4,622,840
3. New York Mets $138,293,378 $4,609,779
4. Boston Red Sox $133,440,037 $4,765,716
5. Chicago White Sox $121,152,667 $4,487,136
6. Los Angeles Angels $119,216,333 $4,110,908
7. Chicago Cubs $118,595,833 $4,392,438
8. Los Angeles Dodgers $118,536,038 $4,233,430
9. Seattle Mariners $117,993,982 $4,538,230
10. Atlanta Braves $102,424,018 $3,414,134
11. St. Louis Cardinals $100,624,450 $3,049,226
12. Toronto Blue Jays $98,641,957 $3,522,927
13. Philadelphia Phillies $98,269,881 $3,388,617
14. Houston Astros $88,930,415 $3,293,719
15. Milwaukee Brewers $81,004,167 $2,793,247
16. Cleveland Indians $78,970,067 $3,037,310
17. San Francisco Giants $76,904,500 $2,651,879
18. Cincinnati Reds $74,277,695 $2,971,108
19. San Diego Padres $73,677,617 $2,376,697
20. Colorado Rockies $68,655,500 $2,640,596
21. Texas Rangers $68,239,551 $2,353,088
22. Baltimore Orioles $67,196,248 $2,099,883
23. Arizona Diamondbacks $66,202,713 $2,364,383
24. Minnesota Twins $62,182,767 $2,487,311
25. Kansas City Royals $58,245,500 $2,240,212
26. Washington Nationals $54,961,000 $1,895,207
27. Pittsburgh Pirates $49,365,283 $1,898,665
28. Oakland Athletics $47,967,126 $1,713,112
29. Tampa Bay Rays $43,820,598 $1,460,687
30. Florida Marlins $21,836,500 $661,712
contracts would have to be shorter because teams would not wnat to cripple themselves... and no more 20+ million contracts. All of a a sudden Toronto can say.. "well wait a minute... ny and boston cant go get better this year... and for 10 mill or so we can get burnett back... now we are competative again.