Y'know, HGM,Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
That quote you posted by Cardsfanboy, about a "salary floor"...
Might not be as crazy as it sounds...
:cool:
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Y'know, HGM,Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
That quote you posted by Cardsfanboy, about a "salary floor"...
Might not be as crazy as it sounds...
:cool:
Can salary cap be a feature in Mogul 2k10?
You're right, it is against type for me, and generally, I'm a player's guy. But I just can't take the idea of the cap only lining the owners' pockets any more than I can take the idea of only three or four teams in MLB spending "properly", while the remaining twenty-six are tight-fists who don't give a damn whether or not they win. Winning still does have some impact on the bottom line. Isn't it more likely given the numbers that the teams on top are simply outspending the others, regardless of where the skinflints are?Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
Honestly, I find that the high level of parity in the NFL makes that product unwatchable. It becomes too homogenous because almost every team is at the same level of mediocre, 6-9 wins a season except for like 2 really good teams and 3 really bad teams. And then because teams change from year to year so much, there's really not any compelling story lines because nothing is constant. That's not really a criticism of your post, just adding my 2 cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
These days, college sports are really the only things worth watching. I love baseball more than anything though, so I put up with MLB. The NFL and NBA just aren't any fun anymore.
That's actually a damn good expression of the way that I feel about parity myself. dis-parity is definitely bad, there shouldn't be any "sure" teams, at either end (winners or losers). However, the homogeneous mix of mediocre teams is just as bad if not worse... Where are the "Cinderella" teams in the NFL, anymore?Quote:
Honestly, I find that the high level of parity in the NFL makes that product unwatchable. It becomes too homogenous because almost every team is at the same level of mediocre, 6-9 wins a season except for like 2 really good teams and 3 really bad teams. And then because teams change from year to year so much, there's really not any compelling story lines because nothing is constant. That's not really a criticism of your post, just adding my 2 cents.
In my opinion, baseball is perfect right now. What other sport has the Florida marlins? Tampa Bay Rays? Hell, even the Yankees being there for all of us to "hate", or the lovable losing Cubbies. The Red Sox shaking off their 100+ year curse, and now to some becoming the Evil Empire II. Perfection!
This... this brings me back to my earlier statements here. I wouldn't be so quick to be on the side of the "players" either. It's all business, except what actually occurs on the field. The players are suppliers, their businesses themselves, selling a product to their distributors/OEM's, the teams. That's the only way to look at it, because that's the way everyone operates.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriole^
Personally, I'm content to let MLB and the MLBPA just do their thing. Their all well aware of all of the ramifications of their actions, much more so than any of us are...
Except with the possible exception of draftees or (probably especially) foreign rookies. That's a whole different discussion though, really.
In my view, the odd man out in this whole equation is us, the fans. There's no one looking out for our collective interests. There's no "consumer advocacy" for us, at all, when it comes to sports entertainment. The teams, players and their agents, even the media... we're played, constantly. That's why team owners such as Loria are able to scrape together a Championship team and then sell it off the following season, because collectively we allow it. "Hey, it's not my team!", "Those damn (Yankees/Red Sox/Angels), buying all fo our players!", "Oh damn, our Cubbies came so close this year!". And that's not even mentioning the stadium deals, or tourism enticements... We let them do these sorts of things to us, even encourage it occasionally.
This is what I hate about the system. As a fan I get excited about players that come up through the system. When the club lets those that are exciting go because they can't/won't spend the money that others can that gets frustrating. I live in the bay area in California. There are a TON of Giants fans around here, some A's fans, and a random smattering of the other teams. Its sad when the team that has more championships since moving to the area can't field a team thats exciting enough to fill there stadium (hello covered upper deck seats), and you rarely see anyone sporting A's gear. And when you do see someone sporting the A's, its someone who lived through Reggie Jackson's days with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
The Giants have fans of all ages. Fortunately they have an ownership group that is willing to spend enough to retain players that are exciting, unlike their cross-bay rivals. But even then, they couldn't/wouldn't sign Texiera because of the money, when he was exactly what they needed.
Thats why I hate Yankee style baseball. I don't know if its fair to be frustrated with the Yankees or if I should be frustrated with my own team's ownership. Its hard to be frustrated with my own team, they built an awesome stadium with private funding, not many other owners have the balls to do that. Anyways, thats the seat of my frustration.
I think that maybe a good solution could be to limit say the top three spenders to a certain percent over the average payroll of the league. That would keep them from getting too crazy (hello 3 top FAs) but still allow them their big spender advantage. Like say, only 2 of the top free agents.
Well, go ahead and find the holes in that one, I'm sure you all will.
I think there should be an organization spending cap and floor. Not just salary..but everything in a MLB team's budget altogether, as a total. That way you can limit the gap between the richest and poorest markets somewhat...but the organization can still put the money where they want. I think the cap shouldn't be anything that drastically changes anything...but just to prevent things from getting out of control at some point...and a floor to make sure the poorest markets are still putting in enough money to be improving their franchise.
Hmm... Back to the original subject. This makes me happy...
From mlbtraderumors.com
"Mark Teixeira leftovers...Murray Chass says Tex and his wife didn't want to live in Boston, while Kat O'Brien details the hard stance the Yankees took with Scott Boras."
If this is what you're talking about, me too: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...tory?track=rssQuote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
Yes, stare Boras down... more teams should take that approach:
B: "We want more! More money, more years, options!"
Y: "We have a good offer on the table, take it or leave it."
B: "OK, then he's going to the Red Sox."
Y: "OK, see ya."
B: "Wait, we'll take your offer."
Boras told the Yankees they needed a 10-year deal, with the last two years as player options. That got an absolute no from the Yankees, who had offered eight years and $180 million ($22.5 million per year).
Around midday Tuesday, Boras said Teixeira would agree to an eight-year contract, but only if the average annual value was $24 million per year, making the total contract value $192 million. The Yankees conferred, then told Boras no, that they had made a fair yet firm offer and would stand pat, the source said. Boras responded by saying that Teixeira likely would be a Red Sox.
The Yankees refused to budge from their offer, and 20 minutes later, Boras called back and said Teixeira would take their eight-year, $180-million offer.
Lol, that's freaking awesome... After years of teams (especially the Yanks) just bending over for Boras, he gets told "no" a few times.
Ya know, it's probably not the first time. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
For example, see Kyle Lohse last offseason.
That's perfectly valid. The big difference for me in the way both sports build up a team is the way the draft works. In the NFL, typically 2 or 3 guys are playing significant roles for their team the year they're drafted, if not more. In baseball, it's YEARS before any of those kids can step in. That's why I think having a few big spenders hurts a lot worse in baseball than in football...in football, you CAN quickly rebuild if you draft smartly. In baseball, those picks that are your 'reward' for losing free agents aren't going to amount to anything for your club for years. You're basically telling the fans of that team they can sit around and wait for 4 years before they have a hope in Hell...oh, but please keep buying tickets! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by haveacigar
And plenty of people do keep buying. The low spending teams do win.
The thing is, the sports are different. There's a lot more luck (variation) involved in baseball all around, and even the most dominating players aren't that dominating, so the field is somewhat more level already.
The deep development system is unique in baseball as well, and lower spending teams do leverage it to their advantage. Teams such as the Yankees and Red Sox don't rely on it nearly as much as the Royals or Marlins, who consistently develop their own players in house.
I see your point, for sure, but... what's the solution? I don't think that it's as much of a problem as you're making it out to be, so there's certainly a bit of bias in my view. More importantly though, I just don't see what exactly is being advocated for.
Thats true, but the problem is that they can't keep those players. Miguel Cabrera is a perfect example. He should be the Marlins franchise player. But they can't keep him because of a market so strongly influenced by the whimsical (read: win now at all costs) mentality of the deeper pocket teams. So the Marlins (or insert other low budget team here) lose a player that I am sure their fans were pumped about, and was probably one of two players they enjoyed watching. Now hes gone. They have low attendance for a reason. If you can't retain more than one stud at a time and give a few guys for people to follow and get excited about, there will be a lot of empty seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
as an alumni with Mark, I'm very very disappointed... of all the teams.. Yankees? This just killed me last week when the news came out.