I am indeed seriousQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
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I am indeed seriousQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Why do you guys even discuss baseball with him? His Pedro bias alone disqualifies him. And...he's like 14, isn't he?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
My Pedro bias?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelb1
The dude was awful with the Mets... I have my reasons to hate him
Pedro is awesome, never insult him. And dude, Pavelb raised a good point. Why do you argue constantly againt logic and give lame reasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
2006 34 NYM NL 9 8 23 23 0 0 0 0 132.7 108 72 66 19 39 137 10 2 550 2 1 4.48 4.36 97 1.108Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
2007 35 NYM NL 3 1 5 5 0 0 0 0 28.0 33 11 8 0 7 32 2 1 128 1 0 2.57 4.26 166 1.429
2008 36 NYM NL 5 6 20 20 0 0 0 0 109.0 127 70 68 19 44 87 6 2 493 3 1 5.61 4.21 75 1.569
AWESOME rIGHT LOL? :rolleyes:
Why do you leave out the details.. Look at his stats in Montreal and Boston. He was for about 10 years the best pitcher in baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
1. You left out his first year with the Mets.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
2. It's not his fault he got hurt...but those injury cut-off numbers in 2007 are pretty good.
For about 10 years... and then he went to the Mets and sucked assQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
No, he was above average when he played there. And you can NOT rank a career based on a few seasons alone. LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING!Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
First off did YOU ever see Seaver or Sutter pitch ? Sutter basically was down right nasty & dominant as they come - ERA of 2.83,ERA+ 141,300 SVs in 661 games,5 SV leader etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Second Pedro was the most dominant pitcher DURING the "steroids era" & has a career ERA of 154+ thus why I ranked him at #1.Maddux I ranked compared to the others & what I saw as being the P who I would (if as a GM/Manager) call on to pitch .........
Yes it is a SUBJECTIVE ranking ;) & no it is NOT based on my favourite players otherwise I would not have ranked Clemens nor Mo' (Yankees bias) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
How long was Koufax great? How long was Bob Gibson great?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
'Sucked ass'? I'll bet his cumulative Mets numbers are over 110+ ERA.
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Originally Posted by metsguy234
Also, please provide evidence that steroids double a player's effectiveness. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Clemens and Maddux are two of the top 5 pitchers of all time. Randy Johnson's up there too. Pedro has a Koufax-level peak. It's not my bias that made it so 4 of the best pitchers ever happened to pitch in the 1990's/2000's.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
How's that for arrogance?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Being awful with the Mets doesn't discount what he did in his career for other teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
And Rivera was still better.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
His ERA+ was actually 136. He had an extremely short career, but apparently, you're an extreme peak evaluator.
Any way, I'm about to delve into a more in depth ranking of these players.
Modern Bian on Maddux!!! he pithed at least 1/2 his career in 5 man rotations that the guys in the 40's NEVER would have heard of. if anything to me that means he shoud have MORE wins and MORE k's and a BETTER lifetime ERA
and even as bad as he was with that he still was a DOMINANT pitcherQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavelb1
Pedro proved he can't pitch when alot is on the line, like when his team is goodQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM