for Connor Robertson
I don't get it...
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for Connor Robertson
I don't get it...
Omar helped our bullpen so much, and then he does this? WTF?
$$$ thats why
Ouch this will hurt the bullpen really bad............ or not. He was good last year, but his career ERA is near 5, so I don't trust him.
Schoeneweis really is not that good... at all..Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Dude had like a 3.35 ERA last year, Robertson has an ERA over 5Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
hea but you have to admit.. he had what about 7 ip???
we have nothing to go byCode:Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
2007 25 OAK AL 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 2.0 6 4 4 0 2 2 1 0 15 1 0 18.00 4.20 23 4.000
2008 26 ARI NL 0 1 6 0 0 0 3 0 7.0 8 4 4 1 2 2 1 0 32 1 0 5.14 4.60 89 1.429
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
2 Yr WL .000 0 1 9 0 0 0 3 0 9.0 14 8 8 1 4 4 2 0 47 2 0 8.00 4.51 56 2.000
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
162 Game Avg 0 7 68 0 0 0 22 0 68.0 105 60 60 7 30 30 15 0 355 15 0 8.00 4.51 56 2.000
You absolutely cannot judge a lefty specialist by his ERA. Schoeneweis is a below average reliever, relatively old, and making money. Robertson is younger, and cheap. It's a salary dump, pure and simple. Plus, the Mets have a better lefty in Feliciano.
1) WTF is a lefty specialist?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
2) 3.35 ERA is below average?
3) Still- who the fucck is Connor Robertson?
Lefty Specialist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-handed_specialist
A left-handed reliever used primarily to get left-handed batters out.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
1)Quote:
2) 3.35 ERA is below average?
2) His ERA in 2007 was 5.03.Quote:
You absolutely cannot judge a lefty specialist by his ERA.
3) His career ERA is 4.91.
4) He's had 3 years with an above-average ERA - 2003, 2005, 2008.
A generic, nothing special reliever.Quote:
3) Still- who the fucck is Connor Robertson?
Then why did we trade Scotty Schoenweis for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
because it saved u 2 million
Code:3 years/$10.8M (2007-09)
signed by Mets as a free agent 1/07
07:$3.6M, 08:$3.6M, 09:$3.6M
acquired by Arizona in trade from NY Mets 12/12/08, with Mets paying $1.6M of Schoeneweis' $3.6M salary for 2009
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
A lefty specialist is a left handed pitcher, usually one who throws pretty hard, who will come out to get one or two lefties out. And with lefty specialists, you can not judge them by their ERA. This is because they throw so few innings, that the sample size is simply to small. Connor Robertson is a younger, cheaper reliever then Schoweinsis who is also better at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
And as Houston said, Feliciano can do the exact same thing Schoeneweis did, but better.
But now we're short one relieverQuote:
Originally Posted by EVEN11323
Get another one?
No, because you got a reliever in return, Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Connor Robertson will not be in the Mets bullpen. The Mets have no chance at winning anything next year if he is in our bullpen.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
yea because shoenweis was the key to TAHT bullpen lol
This post shows how uneducated you are about baseball. Wow, he was a crappy lefty specialist, it will not make a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
He wasn't crappy. He had a 3.35 ERA. Robertson will not put up a better ERA then that,his ERA will be like 6Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
*sigh*
That was ONE season, and he threw only a few innings. If anything, I would say the two are probably very simular, with the advantage going to Robertson for being younger. If I were you, i would stop now, though it is amusing watching you make a total fool of yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Also an ERA over 5 in AAA... where he pitched 71 inn.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...obertson.shtml
56 2/3 is a few?Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schoesc01.shtml
with 72 k's. cut those walks down to 20-30 and he will be a stud. his whip is almost identical. they have 1.38 and scott had 1.376.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schoesc01.shtmlQuote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Scott has putt up a career ERA of 4.91 in 934 innings, Last year had a 5.03 ERA, in 06 had a 4.88 ERA, 04 a 5.59 ERA. Now, do you still think he is key to the Mets?
Yes.....Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
good thing they didnt keep this guy tooCode:Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
1986 20 CHC NL 2 4 6 5 1 0 1 0 31.0 44 20 19 3 11 20 1 2 144 2 0 5.52 4.02 73 1.774
1987 21 CHC NL 6 14 30 27 1 1 2 0 155.7 181 111 97 17 74 101 4 4 701 13 7 5.61 4.25 76 1.638
He was and is crappy, and you're probably right that Robertson won't be any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
There is no one player bad enough to completely destroy a team's chances of winning. And if there was, it certainly wouldn't be a middle reliever.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
It's more than just the innings. It's the way lefty specialists are used, primarily throwing to one or two batters at a time. ERA is very flawed for relievers. The biggest flaw is that doesn't account for inherited runners that they let score. The stat Fair Run Average does. Schoeneweis's FRA was 4.93 last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
This was a simple, inconsequential salary dump. It doesn't improve the Mets. It doesn't make them worse. You're overreacting.
The Mets would have had a few less wins if they didn't have him last year. Since they lose Schoeneweis, they'll end next year with about the same record they did this year (when you factor in JJ and K-Rod)Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Robertson pitched a lot better than that 5 ERA in AAA. Not that he's gonna challenge K-Rod.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Wow. This is a huge, huge exaggeration. Schoeneweis was NOT worth "a few wins". The best set-up men are worth "a few wins."Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Mr. Maddux was twenty-one at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
Robertson is twenty-seven.
You're exactly right in your evaluation of Robertson. He's not likely to be anything at all. His upside is an average middle reliever.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
You're completely off on your evaluation of Schoeneweis, and thus, this trade, though.
Who says everyone will perform the same this year? David Wright will likely be better, and K-Rod and Putz will make MUCH more of an impact then Scott.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Whatever, now I know there's one Met I won't be cheering for.
He's unlikely to even pitch more than a handful of innings for the big league team. Stop acting as if they're going to use him all year as their top reliever.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234