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the thing is... he has an opt out clause and has for him guarenteed 160... now if it was 120 and others offered 100 id say its about the $$$ but if its 60% more than anyone else i hate to say t but i gotta side with him. after 3 years he opts out and signs again for 5-6 years at a relative young age again
You're overrating your guy just a tad.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
The players that have signed big contracts in NY, off the top of my head...Giambi, Pavano, Wright, A-Rod, Jeter, Rivera, Damon....Pavano, Giambi and Wright all got injured, and Wright and Pavano especially were poor signings to begin with....A-Rod, Jeter, Damon and Rivera have all done fine. I'm probably missing some guys from recent years, but the prevailing reason why the big Yankee deals haven't worked is injury, which is entirely unrelated to the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragecage
He's easily worth 100 million, and may very well be worth 160 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrewCrewFan255
He's had 3 fantastic seasons, half of one of which was in the NL.Quote:
Sabathia had 2 good seasons. 1 of which was in the NL.
Right. Between the ages 20 and 24, he was a slightly above league average pitcher, which, for a guy that young with his pedigree is an excellent sign for the future. In 2006, he showed significant improvement in both his walk rate and his strikeout rate, both of which have continued to improve. He's NOT the same pitcher he was between the ages of 20-24, so pointing to those years is meaningless. He's one of the top 3 starters in the game without a doubt.Quote:
Sabathia from 01-05 never had a ERA better then 3.6, and the other 3 were above 4 ERA. His whip near 1.3.
Hey man think about it... What would you do in his case? I had the same thing happen when Johnny Damon turned Yankee. But really, what would you do in their case? I know that most of us would go for more money, especially in this bad economic situation. I still like Johnny, even though he is a Yank. He has a life to consider, and we don't make his decisions. So don't let this make you hate him. i am not saying that i would sign with the Yankee, seeing as I hate the city and the team, but if another team offered me a lot of money, chances are, unless Boston or Colorado was offering me something, I would take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrewCrewFan255
If you think about it this way, the Brewers offered 5/100 which is 20 million per year, Yankees offered about 22 million per year. Now, your signed with the Yanks for 7 years, while for the Brewers 5 years and they were willing to do the opt-out also after 3 years. So now you get to play closer to home, play in a clubhouse your familar with and where you would be the star in Wisconsin for a long time. In New York, your just considered a player, and they will boo you no matter what after 1 bad game. I would pick a place where I would want to bat, and a place where im comfortable in, for 3 million less. It's not like you can't live off of 20 million per year, compared to 23 million per year.Quote:
Hey man think about it... What would you do in his case? I had the same thing happen when Johnny Damon turned Yankee. But really, what would you do in their case? I know that most of us would go for more money, especially in this bad economic situation. I still like Johnny, even though he is a Yank. He has a life to consider, and we don't make his decisions. So don't let this make you hate him. i am not saying that i would sign with the Yankee, seeing as I hate the city and the team, but if another team offered me a lot of money, chances are, unless Boston or Colorado was offering me something, I would take it.
Houston, no player is worth 160 million, that's just ridiculous. Not one player.
According to you, sure. According to the market, yes, they easily can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrewCrewFan255
I didn't say that players won't get that type of money, I just don't think any player is worth that much. When Silva gets 11 million per year, you know something's wrong with the market.
Yes he isQuote:
Originally Posted by BrewCrewFan255
A guy who pitches 25 games, is worth 100 million? Maybe I should learn how to pitch then.
CC the Yankee!!!
WoooooooooHoooooooooooo!
He was on the Brewers for less than one year. Everyone knew this was happening. He was neve going to sign with the Brewers.....if he had that loyalty or whatever you were wanting..he'd have signed an extension with his real team..the Indians. Quit crying.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrewCrewFan255
http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/salaries/top50Quote:
Originally Posted by BrewCrewFan255
Look at the salaries of MLB players. Now just speaking strictly of an 100 million dollar deal, it would be worth it. Remember, Sabathia is a young ace who's proved his is durable both in the AL and NL.
BTW, it did kind of seem like you thought he was worth 100 million or more previously. At the very least, a 90 million dollar offer was "embarassing"
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Originally Posted by BrewCrewFan255
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
I feel sorry for Brewer fans here, but everyone knew Sabathia was going to be a rental.
But I am just glad the Yankees finally have the ace they desperately needed, and this allows Wang to become a number two starter!
I don't care if we overpaid. The Yankees have the payroll room to do that. Fact is, we have a young ace in the prime of his career. Whoo
For shame CC... for shame... you have to be a serious scumbag to sign with the Stankees.
You are rightQuote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Everyone should not sign with the Yankees. If you ever become a player in Sabathia's caliber, and become a free agent, I can't wait to see you leave 60 million on the table to not sign with the Yankees
Typical Yankee bias
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Originally Posted by BrewCrewFan255
I have to agree with Koop. Come on, it's common sense. There was little to no chance that the Brewers would end up signing Sabathia and remaining competitive while devoting that much of their payroll to him. They "made the attempt" and C.C. said he "enjoyed his time in Milwaukee". They always say and do that... both sides. The team makes and offer and can say "we tried our best" and the player can have another option that way. The Brewers knew this could happen when they traded for him, and I would hope all of their fans did as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
There's also a reason that it took THREE MEETINGS with C.C. Sabathia for the Yankees to sign him. There's a reason he didn't jump at the contract the moment it was offered. THAT's what I found surprising and interesting about C.C. Sabathia. THAT tells me that he's not only about the money. Maybe, just maybe, he really was considering what was the best fit for him and his family... and his wife was included in the final meeting as well. Being that he hadn't lived or pitched in New York before (aside from a couple of times per season), it makes perfect sense that he wanted to do his research, talk to management, talk to players, to see what it's like. Who wouldn't do their research before making a huge decision like this?!? The largest contract does not equal a player not caring about his family.