Joe Gordon only Veteran's Committee Selection

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Originally Posted by houstongm

exactly! :rolleyes:

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lol :D

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

Earle Combs
1 New York
American

Bill Dickey
8 New York
American

Joe DiMaggio
5 New York
American

Whitey Ford
16 New York
American

Lou Gehrig
4 New York
American

Lefty Gomez
11 New York
American

Joe Gordon
Probably Going in as a Yankee

Waite Hoyt
19 New York
American

Miller Huggins
- New York
American

Reggie Jackson
44 New York
American

Tony Lazzeri
6 New York
American

Mickey Mantle
7 New York
American

Joe McCarthy
- New York
American

Phil Rizzuto
10 New York
American

Red Ruffing
15 New York
American

Babe Ruth
3 New York
American

Casey Stengel
37 New York
American


Lazzeri? Rizzuto? Huggins?

YANKEE BIAS

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Lazzeri died young, Rizzuto lost time to war, and Huggins was a manager. Lazzeri was a great 2b, compared to other 2b's one of the best. Rizzuto was a great broadcaster, and a strong performer with a great glove and good bat. I feel that if he was not a broadcaster as well he may not have gotten in, but that definately did not hurt.

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

Lazzeri died young, Rizzuto lost time to war, and Huggins was a manager. Lazzeri was a great 2b, compared to other 2b's one of the best. Rizzuto was a great broadcaster, and a strong performer with a great glove and good bat. I feel that if he was not a broadcaster as well he may not have gotten in, but that definately did not hurt.

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But he was elected as a player, not as a player/broadcaster. If he had won the Frick award, then he could've gotten in as a broadcaster. But he got in as a player- therefore only his statistics should be taken into consideration.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

But he was elected as a player, not as a player/broadcaster. If he had won the Frick award, then he could've gotten in as a broadcaster. But he got in as a player- therefore only his statistics should be taken into consideration.

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None of this means that the voters didn't consider his broadcasting contributions.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

None of this means that the voters didn't consider his broadcasting contributions.

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But they shouldn't've

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

But they shouldn't've

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What's your point?

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Results of the 2008 Pre-1943 Players Ballot (nine votes needed for election): Gordon (10 votes, 83.3 percent), Allie Reynolds (eight, 66.7 percent), Wes Ferrell (six, 50.0 percent), Mickey Vernon (five, 41.7 percent), Deacon White (five, 41.7 percent), Bucky Walters (4, 33.3 percent), Sherry Magee (three, 25.0 percent), Bill Dahlen, Carl Mays and Vern Stephens (fewer than three).

Allie Reynolds falling one vote short of induction is ridiculous. The most deserving player on this list, in my opinion, was Bill Dahlen and he received "less than 3 votes." Then again, a 12 person voting committee is pretty silly.

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They were allowed to vote for up to 4 each. I think I would have voted for Dahlen and Stephens, though I have some reservations about some things about Stephens that don't show up in his stats. I can see the arguments for some of the other guys. Reynolds, Walters, and Mays are the least deserving IMO (Mays for things other than his stats).

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Results of the 2008 Post-1942 Players Ballot (48 votes needed for election): Santo (39 votes, 60.9 percent), Jim Kaat (38, 59.4 percent), Tony Oliva (33, 51.6 percent), Gil Hodges (28, 43.8 percent), Joe Torre (19, 29.7 percent), Maury Wills (15, 23.4 percent), Luis Tiant (13, 20.3 percent), Vada Pinson (12, 18.8 percent), Al Oliver (nine, 14.1 percent), Dick Allen (seven, 10.9 percent.

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Again, each voter could vote for up to 4. I think I'd have voted for Kaat, Hodges, Torre, and Tiant.

I would've voted Gordon, White, Dahlen, and Magee for the pre-1943 ballot, and for Santo and Torre, and maybe Allen (still undecided on him) on the post-1942 ballot.

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it's a shame that Ron Santo

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My mom(she's watched the cubs since 1967) brought this up to me last night and its a shame but its probably going to take Santo dying to get him in.

him AND santo should have beel left out

If Gordon, Then Why Not Grich?

Bobby Grich is up there with Ron Santo, Tim Raines, and Bert Blyleven in terms of HOF snubs, imo.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

What's your point?

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Voters took in to account his broadcasting career, when they shouldn't have.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

Voters took in to account his broadcasting career, when they shouldn't have.

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Thank you for restating what you already said. Again, what is your point?

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Thank you for restating what you already said. Again, what is your point?

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My point is he got in not by just his on the field acheivements. That proves the Yankee bias.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

My point is he got in not by just his on the field acheivements. That proves the Yankee bias.

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No, it doesn't at all. It means that the voters took into account other things besides just his on-field performance. That does not mean that there is a "Yankee bias." I don't even know how you could possibly infer that there is from that alone. Well, okay, I do, you hate Yankee everything and will scream Yankee bias at the top of your lungs despite it flying in the face of all available facts.