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Good list but no way Joba is #1! He hasn't shown enough to rank that high yet!
The guy who wrote is arguing that is precisely why he is #1, from what I can gather from the article. His success is extremely important to the organization, not just from a talent/on-field perspective, but also because he's being looked to (by the guy who wrote the article at least) to carry the Yankee torch once the Jeter's and Posada's are gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickD
This is an interesting article.
The Yankees will be back next year. They have money. They have some extremely talented young players. And they're the Yankees. As much as I have to hate them, it's good for baseball when they're competing.
Yes they will be back NEXT year but solely due to their actual talent (A Rod/Rivera/Wang) plus their FA pickups (CC ? Lowe ? Burnett ?)Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
However,I disagree with
Actually the Yankees at the moment are relatively barren (compared to other teams) & most of their talent is at A/AA.The MLB "young guys" have either failed eg Melky/Cano/Kennedy or have limited upside eg Gardner/Aceves/Veras etcQuote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
IMHO their young talent can be limited to 2 names - Joba & Hughes & that is less than most teams (see Rays but also Red Sox/A's even the Angels) :D
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
I mean THREE guys when I say this. Joba, Hughes and Cano have the make of HOFers. Not saying any one of them (let alone all three) will be HOFers, but those three are absolutely unique talents that could be the future faces of that franchise (a successful one) for years to come. I don't think Cano has failed (one down year is NOT a failure), and I think Kennedy can still be successful. I never believed in Melky, so I don't count him in this conversation at all.Quote:
However,I disagree with
Actually the Yankees at the moment are relatively barren (compared to other teams) & most of their talent is at A/AA.The MLB "young guys" have either failed eg Melky/Cano/Kennedy or have limited upside eg Gardner/Aceves/Veras etc
IMHO their young talent can be limited to 2 names - Joba & Hughes & that is less than most teams (see Rays but also Red Sox/A's even the Angels) :D
Well,that is different from what you posted (no disrespect).Of the 3 only Joba,has delivered SO FAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
Cano's "superstardom" took a hit in 08 & he could go in any direction & Hughes is well a semi-bust (say compared to Lincecum or Lester) to date.Yes,he has the talent but as yet hasn't shown it & his injury record,for such a young arm,is worrysome to say the least.
If one remembers he was the reason that Santana is NOT a Yankee,1 year on if you ask Cashman if he would revisit that deal I bet his answer would different.;)
But overall the YANKEES have a mid level based Prospect system AT BEST - from BA
that is good but not great (although Jackson looks like a stud) especially when you consider they failed to sign their #1 & #3 from the 08 draft & that Brackman has NEVER pitched in minor ball & is coming off TJ surgery.Quote:
1. Austin Jackson, of
2. Jesus Montero, c
3. Andrew Brackman, rhp
4. Austin Romine, c
5. Dellin Betances, rhp
6. Zach McAllister, rhp
7. Alfredo Aceves, rhp
8. Phil Coke, lhp
9. Mark Melancon, rhp
10. Bradley Suttle, 3b
No disrespect taken. But it's not quite different. Those are young players, and all are incredible talents. I wasn't really saying their entire farm system was fantastic, I was saying that in 2009 they had enough incredible young talent, enough money, and enough veteran talent (ARod, Rivera, Damon) to be "back." I don't think the Yankees farm system ever matters *that* much, because they're the Yankees, and they can easily buy talent when it runs short in the farm system.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
But, concerning the Yankees in 2008, and how they may do in 2009... how soon some forget (not you [FSR], I'm talking in general) that the Yankees won 89 games last season while playing in baseball's best division (far and away), and would have won 2 out of the 6 divisions in baseball with that many wins, and probably could have won half the divisions in baseball (could have won the AL East if they played there). How soon some forget that they still have the best player in baseaball, more money (by FAR) than any other team in baseball, and the necessity to WIN (more than any other team in baseball).
Cano, Hughes, and Chamberlin have the makings of HOFers?!?!??!
Cano is a nice player...definitely good..but he's got a long long long ways to go and improve before being HOF level.
Hughes is the definitin of EPIC FAIL and overhype so far..though potential is there..it may be a wee bit early for this.
Chamberlin is a good reliever who hasn't proven he can stay healthy as a starter. Good player...let's not go overboard.
Let's not act like the Yanks are on the verge of another dynasty. Plenty of question remarks remain for next year and the years after. The Yanks aren't the only team with money and buying CC isn't going to make them the favorite...
I actually think Joba and Hughes may be two of baseball's more overated players by a lot.
They have HOF makes, as in, they're all absolutely topnotch talents that have shown they can perform professionally. I'm not saying they're going to be in the HOF. The huge majority of players that can be said to have HOF makeup will never sniff the HOF.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
I, myself, don't see dynasty, but I see absolutely no reason to think they can't make the playoffs next season, or the season after. No, they're not the only team with money, but they have boatloads more money than any other team.Quote:
Let's not act like the Yanks are on the verge of another dynasty. Plenty of question remarks remain for next year and the years after. The Yanks aren't the only team with money and buying CC isn't going to make them the favorite...
Hughes, yes, absolutely. Joba I think actually has and will deliver on the talent everyone believes in (unlike Hughes), but at this very point in time, he's overrated but in a different way from Hughes, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Yea, Chamberlin is conidered by some to be like the best pitcher in baseball, but only has 124.1 innings. And the Yankees made a huge project of converting him back from reliever to starter, and it just seems people feel he has already proved everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
I don't know anybody that thinks Chamberlain is the best pitcher in baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
ESPN tries to paint him like he's already an established ace (which he's obviously not).Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM