*Official trade thread*

With all the recent threads on maintaining a fair and challenging game i decided (with the help of binglebop) to make a thread for trades in our individual dynasties.

If you want to join in on this little experiment just post the trade you would like to propose to the AI and we'll accept or deny it here. Theres no steadfast rules just a sounding board for those that want to make trading a little more challenging. If anyone has suggestions to make or would like to otherwise expand this idea feel free to discuss.:)

That's a great idea. I think there should be a third member (*hint*Hint*) and the three vote on the trade. Dynasties wouldn't have to propose trades of course, but they could get a little badge of honor from us saying that they use our system.

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Originally Posted by twinsGM

That's a great idea. I think there should be a third member (*hint*Hint*) and the three vote on the trade. Dynasties wouldn't have to propose trades of course, but they could get a little badge of honor from us saying that they use our system.

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lol, this turning into a fraternity? :p

As of now anyone can put forth their opinion on trades, but if we get alot of bickering or certain ppl constantly chiming in with an obvious lack of baseball knowledge diluting our pool of expertise we can nominate trade moderators and such.

Oh ok I get it. Still a good idea :D

Trade proposal

Guess ill kick things off.


I cant afford my current #3 starter as he is a FA to be and need to get a prospect in here still under arbitration that can replace him. I want a young guy from the yanks and here is the scenario:

Yankees are 16-10, 2nd in the AL east, 0.5 games back of Boston. They failed to make the playoffs the last 2 yrs and NY fans are getting restless. I want 25 yr old rookieSP Jeff Marquez (80/83)- my scouting is +/- 3. He is currently on yanks DL and out for 73 days. Hes made 3 starts for ny this year and his ERA is 4.91 in 22 inn.

Im offering another SP 28 yr oldSteven White (79/82) in return, plus a RP prospect Rod Peterson (61/84) as a kicker. White has made just 1 start for me and didnt do well as he allowed 5 runs in 4 inn. White played for the yanks last year and has a career ERA of just over 6 with only 54 inn pitched in his short career so hes a bit of an unknown with a small sample to work with but hasnt shown alot so far. He does have a friend in NY since hes played almost his whole career there. Financial side is just about even. The yankess #4 and #5 starters a rated (77/79, 78/79) respectively and the latter is 37 yrs old so white could end up starting for them. Marquez is about even and hes out for 2.5 months so it looks like a decent deal for both sides. What do ya'll think tho? I want honest opinions and will abide by the forums decision. :D

Ghettostar-What team are you? Where are you in standings?

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Ghettostar-What team are you? Where are you in standings?

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Im the Royals and have 3 of my best guys coming up for FA and may not be able to sign 2 of them cause i have a low budget. I did win the WS last year (improbable come from 3-0 to bosox to get there, i dont cheat either- i use manager mode in PBP) im off to a slow start this year (started off 0-5) with my players not performing as well as they did in my miraculous championship run last year when almost all of my players overachieved. I have managed to win 8 out of my last 10 and currently at 17-12, tied with cleveland for 1st in a competitive central.

would asking for screenshots of the players involved be too much to ask?

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Originally Posted by etothep

would asking for screenshots of the players involved be too much to ask?

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No prob.

My 3 starters up for contracts are LF david dejesus, CL joakim soria, and SP chris sampson BTW. Gimme a min and ill post screenies.

I'd recommend that people post the .mog with their trades, so we can seek further info as needed.

A 28 Y/O starter with 6+ ERA in 54 innings isn't the type of player I'd go for. He's a AAAA type guy. The prospect is likely to be an average reliever. It's not a bad trade, but if I was the Yankees I'd like to get more if I traded Marquez and I'd be looking for a better replacement for my injured starter.

But if you make the trade I don't think you'll be scorned too badly. :D

SP i want

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SP im offering

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RP im adding to the offer

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Originally Posted by filihok

I'd recommend that people post the .mog with their trades, so we can seek further info as needed.

A 28 Y/O starter with 6+ ERA in 54 innings isn't the type of player I'd go for. He's a AAAA type guy. The prospect is likely to be an average reliever. It's not a bad trade, but if I was the Yankees I'd like to get more if I traded Marquez and I'd be looking for a better replacement for my injured starter.

But if you make the trade I don't think you'll be scorned too badly. :D

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Nah, i was thinking the same from the Yanks standpoint. I dont tthink they'll get much for marquez tho- im on the fence about it myself.

I'd prefer to have Maruez, personally, but it's not like the Yanks are getting robbed or anything though

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Originally Posted by etothep

I'd prefer to have Maruez, personally, but it's not like the Yanks are getting robbed or anything though

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So if you were the yanks would you rather have marquez out for 2.5 months or white that can pitch now plus a decent prospect? Thats basically the ends and outs of this proposed trade- you say yay or nay? Or do you think i should offer more or rework the trade altogether? If i have to ill offer more if the forum doesnt think the yanks would bite.

Again, In terms of talent, I think it is close.

But without the .mog it's hard to say.

You're making the trade because you need a cheap alternative at starter, and have three players eligible for free agency. We don't know about the Yankees. They have those types of concerns too. What young pitchers do they have in the system to replace Marquez, etc...

2 questions. First, How'd you get White OFF the Yankees? IRL if the Yankees traded him once, they probably don't want to trade for him again. Especially not if they are paying more than they received. Second, why don't YOU use White as your starter, his contract status would appear to be similar to Marquez'?

If I'm the Yanks I don't do the trade. Doesn't mean you shouldn't at least offer it though, maybe he'll take it

I wouldn't take the trade. The Yankees had Marquez in their starting rotation. I don't think they'd feel the same about White

If you offered a similar prospect who wasn't on the verge of death(HORRIBLE Health), I think it would take it.

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Originally Posted by filihok

Again, In terms of talent, I think it is close.

But without the .mog it's hard to say.

You're making the trade because you need a cheap alternative at starter, and have three players eligible for free agency. We don't know about the Yankees. They have those types of concerns too. What young pitchers do they have in the system to replace Marquez, etc...

2 questions. First, How'd you get White OFF the Yankees? IRL if the Yankees traded him once, they probably don't want to trade for him again. Especially not if they are paying more than they received. Second, why don't YOU use White as your starter, his contract status would appear to be similar to Marquez'?

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All valid points. I got white because the yanks desperately needed a 2B and i had a surplus there and needed a decent spot starter, so i gave them adam kennedy (79) plus a lefty RP (77/80). I think them not wanting him back in real life isnt necessarily true-it happens often enough when they liked the guy they traded away but needed to to get the previous deal thru. I dont think the yanks status on young SP is relevant because they are getting about the same in return and plus a young reliever. I think ive given just about all the info needed, but since you want to know the yanks have a couple young SPs with ratings of ( 77/81, 76/85) in their farm. Its looking like the concensus is that this trade is denied. I may have to see what else i can add to it.

BTW, thanks for all the input guys, i much prefer trading this way. :)

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Originally Posted by etothep

If I'm the Yanks I don't do the trade. Doesn't mean you shouldn't at least offer it though, maybe he'll take it

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I know they'd take it but the idea is to not take advantage of the AI and make it more challenging.

Im going to add more to the deal and see what ya'll think.

What if i offered one of my best defensive subs and lefty hitter:


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He could actually start in right field for them i think since the current incumbent is aging and just fell to 71 ovr. They have a couple decent OFs (75,79) but both play RF under 80 rating so mitch would atleast be a short term solution for them and since they havent made an effort yet to improve in RF it may be their only one.

If you included Maier, I would agree to the trade as the Yankees... it seems fair for both sides. Since this is 2009 in your game, without seeing the MOG file, I am predicting that the Yankees still have a deep, highly rated minor league system, especially on the pitching side. I seem to remember having to force trade or release some of the players they kept in their system long after they would have become six year minor league free agents, so it's not as if them giving up Marquez for a (pitching) prospect that is farther away would harm them that much, especially since Marquez was just put in the rotation it looks like.

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Originally Posted by ghettostar

I know they'd take it but the idea is to not take advantage of the AI and make it more challenging.

Im going to add more to the deal and see what ya'll think.

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Haha, for whatever reason I thought this was for seeing if bmo leage offers were fair.

If you want to make a realistic trade, then you'd have to give up more than what I deem fair asking price if White is part of the deal as I find it hard to stomach a team trading a player away & then trading back for him just a year or 2 later. Yeh, White, Maier & the prospect could be fair

I'd still be out. Not in terms of talent, but in team needs.

White is "a guy", 80 OVR starting pitchers are a dime a dozen. The reliever-I'm not taking a guy with a 55 health. Maier I like (mostly cause he was a stud for me when I did a game with the Royals), but he's pretty average really.

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Originally Posted by filihok

I'd still be out. Not in terms of talent, but in team needs.

White is "a guy", 80 OVR starting pitchers are a dime a dozen. The reliever-I'm not taking a guy with a 55 health. Maier I like (mostly cause he was a stud for me when I did a game with the Royals), but he's pretty average really.

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2 for 1 against. The jury is still out.

Can we see the game file (.MOG) Please?

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

Can we see the game file (.MOG) Please?

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Id rather not, ive had a problem with sharing my file before- certain ppl like to ***** and compain about how others run their dynasties. If you ve been here long enough and remember you know the situation im talking about. Ive really gave all the info i think thats needed to make a decision.

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Originally Posted by ghettostar

Id rather not, ive had a problem with sharing my file before- certain ppl like to ***** and compain about how others run their dynasties. If you ve been here long enough and remember you know the situation im talking about. Ive really gave all the info i think thats needed to make a decision.

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Hey, you're talking to a guy who adds the DH to the NL :p

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Originally Posted by etothep

hey, you're talking to a guy who adds the dh to the nl :p

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*******!!!!!!!!! ;)

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Originally Posted by etothep

Hey, you're talking to a guy who adds the DH to the NL :p

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lmao

I got a trade:

I get Paul Byrd, a 74/88 pitcher at the time and
Joe Winkelsas, 61/81 Pitcher


I give:
Tim Belcher 83 SP who makes 1.7 mil
and Sean Casey, 71/81.

The Braves, on the other end of this trade, have 17m in cap room. They are an 89 overall, and might need a #5 starter. Is this fair?

What are their health ratings? Is Belcher a free agent? How old are they? And how do the Braves look at first base? On first glance, it appears fair, but if they are stacked in first basemen, I might ask for somebody else besides Casey.

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Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP

What are their health ratings? Is Belcher a free agent? How old are they? And how do the Braves look at first base? On first glance, it appears fair, but if they are stacked in first basemen, I might ask for somebody else besides Casey.

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Health ratings:

Casey= 86
Belcher= 80

belcher has one year left on his contract (it is april of '99, he has a contract thru '00)

They have Andres Galarraga at first, 83 but he is 36 yrs old. Casey would be a good replacement.

Are they still under payroll taking on Belcher's contract? The AI doesn't care in the game, but I would want to ensure they're under budget if I was the GM. If so, that sounds like a fair trade to me on the surface.

Ghettostar, something else you might want to try that I think others would do as well... we could make a list with our AIM names (like they did in some BMO threads) and if there's a trade or roster move you are considering, usually somebody is online that could play the role of GM, much like I do with my friends. If not, then somebody might be on the forums.

Might need a #5 starter? Belcher looks better than a #5 starter? That statement would lead me to believe that they don't need to give up a good prospect to add $1.7 million in salary

I'd make the trade, sim a day, and see if they put Belcher in the rotation. If not. Certainly no trade

Again, it's really hard to do this without being able to play around with the .mog. There are too many variables to list.

In terms of talent, the trade seems ok, but there are a lot more things to consider than just talent

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP

Are they still under payroll taking on Belcher's contract? The AI doesn't care in the game, but I would want to ensure they're under budget if I was the GM. If so, that sounds like a fair trade to me on the surface.

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They are 17 million under budget right now.

And he would become a starter if there was a real person running the team, becuase the Braves have a 84/92 spec in their right now, who should be in AAA. I'd probably make that move for them.

I'm the Arizona Diamondbacks at the end of July 2008. I'm 6.5 games back of the Dodgers for the division and 1.5 back of the Phillies for the Wild Card.

My offense is great and I've been gaining on the leaders all month, going 12-6 so far in July. The 5th rotation spot has been abysmal though, and I could use an upgrade. I need some help in the pen too. A pitcher or two would be enough to put me over the top I think.

The AI seems to be high on a few of my relievers (Fruto and Brown pictured below). I've been offered young outfielders like Jeremy Hermida and Delmon Young for a package of those 2. I didn't do them because I don't need an Ofer and I thought they'd be unfair.

I seem to be able to get any reliever for them but 75/90 or 85/85 seems to be about the best starter I can get.

What do you guys thing would be the best rated young pitcher I could get from a non-contending team for this package, as well as a vet from a non-contending team.

Thanks a bunch. :D