Full time starting jobs next season?

What new starter, former recent starters, current backups, or possible draftees will have full-time jobs next year. Vikes, Lions, Bucs, Jets?? (if Favre goes), Bears, Rams, and 49ers all could improve at QB next season.

Candidates:
Matt Cassel
Derek Anderson
Trent Edwards
J.P. Losman
Sage Rosenfels
Jon Kitna
Daunte Culpepper
Gus Frerotte
Tarvaris Jackson
Chad Henne
Matt Leinart
Vince Young
Kerry Collins
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Thigpen
Marc Bulger
Kyle Orton
Rex Grossman
Matt Stafford (Georgia)
Sam Bradford (Oklahoma)
Tim Tebow (Florida)
Pat White (West Virginia)
Curtis Painter (Purdue)
Nate Davis (Ball St)
Mark Sanchez (USC)
Cullen Harper (Clemson)

I don't know where any of these guys will go.

But I'd take Kitna as the best vet and Leinart as the best young guy outta this group

Tim Tebow and Pat White will not be starting next year. White maybe, but it would be as a WR or RB.

Starters:
Cassel
Edwards
Orton
Thigpen
Bulger

Titans starter will depend on how they fare in the playoffs (the deeper they go, the more likely Collins returns as the starter)
Vikings starter next year will likely be Cassel

Only rookies w/ a shot at starting are Stafford or Bradford

Leinart starts only if Warner retires or gets injured in preseason

I just realized today that Matt Cassel could actually play for the Vikings! I was excited. But then I realized that I was excited about a player with 10 starts since high school, and I started cutting my wrists.

The Bears will retain Orton. I'm almost completely certain about it. It wouldn't make sense for them to let him go when it looks like they might finally have both a QB and RB to build an offense around. They'll sign Orton, who will be more than glad to stay, let Rex walk, bring in a WR for Orton, and beef up the line.

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Originally Posted by justanewguy

The Bears will retain Orton. I'm almost completely certain about it. It wouldn't make sense for them to let him go when it looks like they might finally have both a QB and RB to build an offense around. They'll sign Orton, who will be more than glad to stay, let Rex walk, bring in a WR for Orton, and beef up the line.

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I bet you wish it was that easy :p.

Yeah, I don't see Chicago making a change. Orton has played really well overall for them this year. They have bigger issues (continuing to build the O-line, maybe getting a safety who isn't utter crap) this offseason.

I think this would be easier to guess at if this questioned is tackled at the end of the regular season.

I just want to throw Jeff Garcias name out there, he went through a bad time with Gruden earlier this year and who knows what will happen with that.

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Originally Posted by ragecage

I think this would be easier to guess at if this questioned is tackled at the end of the regular season.

I just want to throw Jeff Garcias name out there, he went through a bad time with Gruden earlier this year and who knows what will happen with that.

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Well, there's quite a bit of rumor out there that Gruden may want to head in to the college game.

Anyway, even if Tampa stick with Garcia, they need to get a young guy in there starting to learn behind him. In fact, now that I think about it...that wouldn't be a bad spot for Leinart, actually.

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Originally Posted by Arctic Blast

Well, there's quite a bit of rumor out there that Gruden may want to head in to the college game.

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Haha, Gruden has the most complicated playbook in the NFL. I think he knows that won't translate too well to the college game.

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Originally Posted by etothep

Haha, Gruden has the most complicated playbook in the NFL. I think he knows that won't translate too well to the college game.

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Actually, in terms of complexity Gruden is down the list...Martz has a notoriously hardcore complicated offensive scheme, for instance. Gilbride's is often really up there, requiring quarterback AND receiver reads on every route that have to be in sync. Gruden's involves a lot of timing, as most of the West Coast offense style schemes do, but it's nowhere near the level of what those guys try to do.

Anyway, I guess he's let it be known that he's just frustrated with the pro game, and I know he has said in the past that he'd like to try his hand in college at some point.

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Originally Posted by Arctic Blast

Actually, in terms of complexity Gruden is down the list...Martz has a notoriously hardcore complicated offensive scheme, for instance. Gilbride's is often really up there, requiring quarterback AND receiver reads on every route that have to be in sync. Gruden's involves a lot of timing, as most of the West Coast offense style schemes do, but it's nowhere near the level of what those guys try to do.

Anyway, I guess he's let it be known that he's just frustrated with the pro game, and I know he has said in the past that he'd like to try his hand in college at some point.

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In terms of size of playbook, Gruden is atop the list, by a decent margin. Hence why you don't see many young QBs playing for him. 0% chance he coaches a college team next year (despite how tempting I'm sure it will be for him to go from a playoff team in the NFL to a non-bowl team in college)

Gruden has actually turned down Tennessee (he has connections there). I would think that would be the only college he would be willing to go.

Plus, hes quoted as saying he loves the NFL and never wants to leave. If he goes to the college game I'd be incredibly shocked. Like eto said 0% chance.

And the only rookie I can see starting is whoever the Lions decide to draft #1...unless they go defense. The Rams I could see drafting Bradford but he's going to need to develop behind Bulger before he jumps in there.

In my opinion, this years QB class is weak compared to last years.

I know the Rams need some serious help, same with the lions and Chiefs

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

I know the Rams need some serious help, same with the lions and Chiefs

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chiefs seem to have found a decent QB in pigpen. :D

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

Gruden has actually turned down Tennessee (he has connections there). I would think that would be the only college he would be willing to go.

Plus, hes quoted as saying he loves the NFL and never wants to leave. If he goes to the college game I'd be incredibly shocked. Like eto said 0% chance.

And the only rookie I can see starting is whoever the Lions decide to draft #1...unless they go defense. The Rams I could see drafting Bradford but he's going to need to develop behind Bulger before he jumps in there.

In my opinion, this years QB class is weak compared to last years.

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I feel like Stafford and Bradford are the most solid NFL ready rooks that will most likely be the first couple QBs taken and can AND/OR will produce i.e. Matt Ryan.

Even Tebow and White could do something in the NFL right away. Tebow is a physical specimen with great accuracy and a knack for the endzone running or passing and White has possibly just as much if not more talent than Vick had (as he can throw the ball accurately and run just as well).

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Originally Posted by bucher34

Even Tebow and White could do something in the NFL right away. Tebow is a physical specimen with great accuracy and a knack for the endzone running or passing and White has possibly just as much if not more talent than Vick had (as he can throw the ball accurately and run just as well).

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neither starts a game their rookie season unless a plague of injuries befell the top 2 QBs on whatever team selects them

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Originally Posted by bucher34

What new starter, former recent starters, current backups, or possible draftees will have full-time jobs next year. Vikes, Lions, Bucs, Jets?? (if Favre goes), Bears, Rams, and 49ers all could improve at QB next season.

Candidates:
Matt Cassel
Derek Anderson
Trent Edwards
J.P. Losman
Sage Rosenfels
Jon Kitna
Daunte Culpepper
Gus Frerotte
Tarvaris Jackson
Chad Henne
Matt Leinart
Vince Young
Kerry Collins
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Thigpen
Marc Bulger
Kyle Orton
Rex Grossman
Matt Stafford (Georgia)
Sam Bradford (Oklahoma)
Tim Tebow (Florida)
Pat White (West Virginia)
Curtis Painter (Purdue)
Nate Davis (Ball St)
Mark Sanchez (USC)
Cullen Harper (Clemson)

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Have to add Kevin Colb and Donovan McNabb to the list.

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Originally Posted by bucher34

Even Tebow and White could do something in the NFL right away. Tebow is a physical specimen with great accuracy and a knack for the endzone running or passing and White has possibly just as much if not more talent than Vick had (as he can throw the ball accurately and run just as well).

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sorry, but I don't think White is in the same ballpark as Vick running the ball.

Pat White and Tim Tebow are not NFL style QB's. Maybe someone like Miami will take them to run Wildcat or something but other then that they do not have the arm for the pro level.

I also agree with dickay. Pat White is nowhere near Vick in terms of running.

Has Tebow even said he was going pro? I always thought he said that his education was more important.

I would bet that he would stay for his senior year because of education, like you said. He's not projected to be much of an NFL QB anyway, so he might as well stay and improve his all around game if he decides to go and play in the NFL.

I think Tebow whether he left early or not is a better QB than most give him credit for. That being said no matter how many Heismans he wins he probably would still be only a 3rd-5th round pick.

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Originally Posted by flapper

I think Tebow whether he left early or not is a better QB than most give him credit for. That being said no matter how many Heismans he wins he probably would still be only a 3rd-5th round pick.

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The way he runs simply won't work in the NFL. He simply lowers his head when running in college games & doesn't evade many defenders. NFL defenses will welcome that style with open arms. He continues to run like that in the NFL & his NFL career won't last long.

How can you say Pat White isn't in the same league as Vick. White has most rushing yards by a QB in NCAA history. Vick was drafted because of his running ability and he couldn't pass worth a lick. He could throw deep but had no accuracy whereas White can run just as well and can throw for accuracy - arm strength is easier to build than accurat passing. They probably won't get gigs right away due to the depth of starters that will go around in the offseason (i.e. Cassel, McNabb, etc.), but they won't be ignored either, White won't atleast.

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Originally Posted by bucher34

arm strength is easier to build than accurat passing

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I would strongly disagree with this statement

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Originally Posted by etothep

I would strongly disagree with this statement

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Actually, he isn't wrong about that. We've seen guys build up their arm strength to they can throw a nice deep out (Drew Brees and Peyton Manning were BOTH dinged for weak arms coming out of college, and they've both improved a lot). You very rarely see a QB who has scattershot accuracy improve it a whole lot. It will come up a bit just from gaining system familiarity, but a lot of a QB's accuracy is a direct result of their throwing mechanics, and you're almost never going to use a high pick on a guy who's entire throwing motion you're going to rebuild.

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Originally Posted by Arctic Blast

Actually, he isn't wrong about that. We've seen guys build up their arm strength to they can throw a nice deep out (Drew Brees and Peyton Manning were BOTH dinged for weak arms coming out of college, and they've both improved a lot). You very rarely see a QB who has scattershot accuracy improve it a whole lot. It will come up a bit just from gaining system familiarity, but a lot of a QB's accuracy is a direct result of their throwing mechanics, and you're almost never going to use a high pick on a guy who's entire throwing motion you're going to rebuild.

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But would you say Tim Tebow is an NFL caliber player?

Tebow is running the same system Alex Smith ran in college...System QB's haven't worked. Can Tebow run a non-spread?


Also Pat White is a system QB! Can he run without the spread? He's could make a run at wide receiver but to me Pat White is a Eric Crouch type player with a slightly better arm.

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Originally Posted by Arctic Blast

Actually, he isn't wrong about that. We've seen guys build up their arm strength to they can throw a nice deep out (Drew Brees and Peyton Manning were BOTH dinged for weak arms coming out of college, and they've both improved a lot). You very rarely see a QB who has scattershot accuracy improve it a whole lot. It will come up a bit just from gaining system familiarity, but a lot of a QB's accuracy is a direct result of their throwing mechanics, and you're almost never going to use a high pick on a guy who's entire throwing motion you're going to rebuild.

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I have to think if arm strength were easier to develop than accuracy, guys like Leinart wouldn't have slipped & guys like Jamarcus Russell & Kyle Boller wouldn't have gone so high.

I have 0 data to back up my side of the argument however

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

But would you say Tim Tebow is an NFL caliber player?

Tebow is running the same system Alex Smith ran in college...System QB's haven't worked. Can Tebow run a non-spread?


Also Pat White is a system QB! Can he run without the spread? He's could make a run at wide receiver but to me Pat White is a Eric Crouch type player with a slightly better arm.

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No, you're right, Tebow doesn't seem to be a pro-caliber QB. I agree there.

System guys CAN pan out, but they have to be smart, and they have to be willing to put in a LOT of work. Two examples of that...Brees ran a pure run and shoot at Purdue, but made the transition to pro QB. Steve McNair ran a ridiculous offense at Alcorn State where literally 85-90% of the plays called were passes (and they were all rollouts...the guy didn't even know how to drop back properly), and the few that weren't were him taking off and running it himself.

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Originally Posted by etothep

I have to think if arm strength were easier to develop than accuracy, guys like Leinart wouldn't have slipped & guys like Jamarcus Russell & Kyle Boller wouldn't have gone so high.

I have 0 data to back up my side of the argument however

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That's a LITTLE different. Russell has one of the most powerful throwing arms I have ever seen, and Boller isn't far behind him in that respect. Even most passers considered strong armed can't gun a ball with the insane velocity Russell can. When NFL teams measure arm strength, they generally don't give a crap if you can throw it 95 yards with mustard. What they wanna see is whether or not a guy can consistently throw a deep out pattern without floating it. So, the QB has to be able to throw a rope the equivalent of 45 yards (25 downfield, 20 over to the sideline). You don't need a Russell type arm to do that.

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Originally Posted by Arctic Blast

What they wanna see is whether or not a guy can consistently throw a deep out pattern without floating it. So, the QB has to be able to throw a rope the equivalent of 45 yards (25 downfield, 20 over to the sideline). You don't need a Russell type arm to do that.

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Cause they know the accuracy will develop :p

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Originally Posted by etothep

Cause they know the accuracy will develop :p

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No, they don't. Again, look at all the strong arm passers who were brought in and bombed because they never did develop any accuracy or touch. Some of it is natural mechanics, some of it is a player's work ethic (or lack thereof), and some of it comes down to the quality (or lack thereof) of instruction he gets.

I believe Tim tebow will surprise a lot of people. I don't see Peytin or Brady numbers but he should be a better than average QB in NFL. I see him similiar to Trent Edwards in the passing game. My problem with Pat White is all I really know about him is that he seems to get injured a lot.