Full time starting jobs next season?

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Originally Posted by Arctic Blast

Actually, he isn't wrong about that. We've seen guys build up their arm strength to they can throw a nice deep out (Drew Brees and Peyton Manning were BOTH dinged for weak arms coming out of college, and they've both improved a lot). You very rarely see a QB who has scattershot accuracy improve it a whole lot. It will come up a bit just from gaining system familiarity, but a lot of a QB's accuracy is a direct result of their throwing mechanics, and you're almost never going to use a high pick on a guy who's entire throwing motion you're going to rebuild.

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I have to think if arm strength were easier to develop than accuracy, guys like Leinart wouldn't have slipped & guys like Jamarcus Russell & Kyle Boller wouldn't have gone so high.

I have 0 data to back up my side of the argument however

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

But would you say Tim Tebow is an NFL caliber player?

Tebow is running the same system Alex Smith ran in college...System QB's haven't worked. Can Tebow run a non-spread?


Also Pat White is a system QB! Can he run without the spread? He's could make a run at wide receiver but to me Pat White is a Eric Crouch type player with a slightly better arm.

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No, you're right, Tebow doesn't seem to be a pro-caliber QB. I agree there.

System guys CAN pan out, but they have to be smart, and they have to be willing to put in a LOT of work. Two examples of that...Brees ran a pure run and shoot at Purdue, but made the transition to pro QB. Steve McNair ran a ridiculous offense at Alcorn State where literally 85-90% of the plays called were passes (and they were all rollouts...the guy didn't even know how to drop back properly), and the few that weren't were him taking off and running it himself.

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Originally Posted by etothep

I have to think if arm strength were easier to develop than accuracy, guys like Leinart wouldn't have slipped & guys like Jamarcus Russell & Kyle Boller wouldn't have gone so high.

I have 0 data to back up my side of the argument however

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That's a LITTLE different. Russell has one of the most powerful throwing arms I have ever seen, and Boller isn't far behind him in that respect. Even most passers considered strong armed can't gun a ball with the insane velocity Russell can. When NFL teams measure arm strength, they generally don't give a crap if you can throw it 95 yards with mustard. What they wanna see is whether or not a guy can consistently throw a deep out pattern without floating it. So, the QB has to be able to throw a rope the equivalent of 45 yards (25 downfield, 20 over to the sideline). You don't need a Russell type arm to do that.

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Originally Posted by Arctic Blast

What they wanna see is whether or not a guy can consistently throw a deep out pattern without floating it. So, the QB has to be able to throw a rope the equivalent of 45 yards (25 downfield, 20 over to the sideline). You don't need a Russell type arm to do that.

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Cause they know the accuracy will develop :p

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Originally Posted by etothep

Cause they know the accuracy will develop :p

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No, they don't. Again, look at all the strong arm passers who were brought in and bombed because they never did develop any accuracy or touch. Some of it is natural mechanics, some of it is a player's work ethic (or lack thereof), and some of it comes down to the quality (or lack thereof) of instruction he gets.

I believe Tim tebow will surprise a lot of people. I don't see Peytin or Brady numbers but he should be a better than average QB in NFL. I see him similiar to Trent Edwards in the passing game. My problem with Pat White is all I really know about him is that he seems to get injured a lot.