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does that mean they are giving up on Texiera?
Some of the user comments speculated that they might use him as a role player and have him rotate between the outfield and first base, so they might not necessarily have him in mind as a full-time guy.
Very good deal for the Yankees. Swisher is exactly the type of player they need...can play all three outfield spots and first base, and a great buy-low opportunity.
Apparently, Wilson Betemit is also going to Chicago
Nice deal for the Yankees.
Okay, it's Jhonny Nunez, Jeff Marquez, and Wilson Betemit for Nick Swisher and minor league pitcher Kanekoa Texeira.
Who had the Yankees in the Texeira derby? Someone is a winnerQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
:p lol
I was going to make a post saying "YANKEES GOT TEXEIRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", but decided against it.
Very good move.
How is Swisher .219/.332...better than Giambi? Don't they already have a OF (Cabrera) who can't hit?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Swisher is not a .219 hitter. He had a low .249 BABIP. Plus, Swisher's a much better defender than Giambi. Also, he's cheaper. And younger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelb1
Yeah, except that Swisher can hit. This year he had a 92 OPS+, very poor for him and he's likely to bounce back. Melky's career OPS+ is 84.Quote:
Don't they already have a OF (Cabrera) who can't hit?
I think this is a great trade for both teams, though New York definitely got the better end of the bargain.
Obviously this was based on need for Chicago. They've got a full outfield and a 1B, and badly needed a 3B. Maybe Betemit can finally have the breakout season he's been "due for" for some time now. I can't imagine that he doesn't end up starting 140 games at 3B. He can also play SS, so that's a bit of a bonus for a team with a brand new look on the left side of the infield. The only place they had for Swisher was CF, where he flat out sucks.
Parting with Swisher could be a huge mistake, especially if he finds his stroke again. He also plays an outstanding 1B, and I'm betting New York has him starting there. The Yankees just picked up one of the many pieces they'll need to become a force in the AL again. I wonder if they'll focus more on trading and less on FA signings than they normally would...
Just when it seems the yankees are learning to make their own players, they are going back to the old addictions.
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
For one, the best teams make use of all possible avenues to acquire talent. Your a Red Sox fan, you should know that.
For two, part of "making your own players" and running a good farm system is to enable you to make these types of deals.
I know, but Hank seems to be trading his prospects too easily, and seems more and more like another free agent/ trade for superstar guy. Yes, I know it is best to use any way possible to gain talent, but they seem to be giving their specs away to easily, and giving up on them. And the ones they do not they handle idioticly, like JobaQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
This was ONE trade, NOT for a superstar, and NOT sending away any top prospects.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
I don't know if you've noticed, but the Yankees have been holding on to dear life to their really good prospects. These lower-level guys like Marquez and Nunez are exactly who they should be trading away.
They traded Tabata to the Pirates, whom I would have kept. That trade was in all a poor oneQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
IMHO...any AB given to Swisher that otherwise could have gone to Giambi, Abreau and even Manny...is a big mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I mean...are we looking at a potential outfield of Damon, Swisher, and Nady?? Are you kidding me? This is what the largest payroll in baseball comes up with?
Just my 2 cents.
Well, this means good bye to all of Swisher's crazy hairdos.
This deal hardly hurts the Yanks Farm System.....they also picked p a minor league prospect. No Swisher had a bad year this year but is younger and cheaper than Giambi and is better at 1B! If they get another 1B player he could be in the OF! Win-Win.
I'd be willing to bet that Swisher has a year at least even to that of both Abreu and Giambi in 2009. Giambi hit .247/.373/.502 this year, 128 OPS+. Abreu hit .296/.371/.471, 120 OPS+. Both look nearly exactly like Swisher in 2006 and 2007 (save for Abreu's batting average).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelb1
Plus, Swisher is 28 and Abreu is 35/Giambi is 38.
Manny is going to easily outplay all 3 of them, but he'd also cost a ton of money and be a risk long-term, whereas Swisher is cheap and relatively young.
I think Swisher is likely going to be used at all 3 outfield positions AND first base. Damon and Matsui are both on the old/injury-prone side and are going to need days off, and likely will spend some time on the DL. Having Swisher around is GREAT insurance for that, especially considering he fills the void at first base in the event that the Yankees lose in the Tex sweepstakes.Quote:
I mean...are we looking at a potential outfield of Damon, Swisher, and Nady?? Are you kidding me? This is what the largest payroll in baseball comes up with??
Swisher is a very good player that had a fluky bad 2007, enabling the Yankees to pick him up on the cheap. He provides great flexibility. It's not like the Yankees gave up anything of much value to get him .
I agree. In fact, I think he'll do better. Swisher was a fantastic hitter until his decline last year. But he's healthy, he's at his prime age, and he is a hell of a lot better than he showed he was in 2008. I have a really good feeling about Swisher in 2009. A player at this age doesn't just "forget" how to hit like he did in '06 and '07. And no matter how bad his hitting is, Swisher gets on base. This guy may actually be a significant upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
And both of them will be overpaid, and both of them are far more likely to succumb to injury.Quote:
Plus, Swisher is 28 and Abreu is 35/Giambi is 38.
Swisher is a bargain, considering his potential.Quote:
Manny is going to easily outplay all 3 of them, but he'd also cost a ton of money and be a risk long-term, whereas Swisher is cheap and relatively young.
Swisher proved to be great insurance for the White Sox, even in spite of the horribly low batting average. I don't think the Yankees are pursuing Tex, and I'm feeling strongly that this is the Yankees will be making a smart move by avoiding Tex, making Swisher their 1B, and signing CC or making a run at Peavy.Quote:
I think Swisher is likely going to be used at all 3 outfield positions AND first base. Damon and Matsui are both on the old/injury-prone side and are going to need days off, and likely will spend some time on the DL. Having Swisher around is GREAT insurance for that, especially considering he fills the void at first base in the event that the Yankees lose in the Tex sweepstakes.
I really like what this move does for the Yankees.
Lol a Red Sox fan talking about that is really funny... Considering the Yanks and Red Sox have about the same amount of home grown talent as the Yanks... Plus, the Red Sox have also made just as many FA moves (Drew, Lugo, Wake, Dice-K, Okajima etc...), and just as many trades, if not more (Lowell, Beckett, Bay, Varitek, etc...)Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Plus, Jeff Marquez only had an upside of a #4 starter at most, Betemit isn't even considered a prospect anymore, just a utility player, and Nunez is nothing special at all. I can name at least 10 other starting pitching prospects that have a higher upside than either Nunez or Marquez (Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, Horne, Brackman, Betances, Heredia, Sanchez, Garcia, Kontos, Aceves, etc...)
Plus, the Yankees got Texeira back who is very similar to Nunez.
I'll be pissed if we trade for Swisher just to plug him into 1B and pass on Tex. Tex is the switch hitting, gold glove caliber 1B that we've needed for years, not to mention the guy can absolutely rake.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
Seriously. A RED SOX fan complaining about another team trading for/signing veteran talent is nothing short of ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
I am not complaining, just critisizing. I can't wait to watch them all get injured again. and the Red Sox have easily one of the top 5 farm systems, so you can't say they are still exactly like the Yankees. They will sign a few guys, but they are better with their farmQuote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
Nick Swisher is 28. He's not some old veteran dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Before the 2008 season, Baseball America ranked the Red Sox system 2nd (behind the Rays) and the Yankees system 5th. Keith Law ranked the Red Sox 3 and the Yankees 5.Quote:
and the Red Sox have easily one of the top 5 farm systems, so you can't say they are still exactly like the Yankees. They will sign a few guys, but they are better with their farm
So, in other words, they are pretty much exactly like the Yankees. Very good team built with homegrown players, trades, and free agents, with a strong farm system as well.
But then again, I haven't the faintest idea why this is something to criticize the Yankees for.
The Yanks have said all along their focus is starting pitching first. As much as I would like to see Tex as a Yank I think the Yanks need to get some major rotation help.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
The Yankees have as strong a farm system as just about anyone... We're just a little light on hitting prospects, but our pitching prospects are as good as anyone's.
Except the Rays. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
Well, yeah... Price, Davis, McGee, etc... wow.
Hellickson, Moore, Niemann, Barnese, etc.
what farm system are you looking at?Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
the yankees spend more money far and away than anyone in the league developing and marketing prospects.....there farm system right now is grossly overrated. Hence the reason why theres only a small few names that come up in serious discussion for trades...Wang, Cano, Hughes, Kennedy.....and we've seen more than enough of Kennedy IMO to know he's nothing special and Hughes is not nearly as valuable as he was last year this time.
Instead of a salary cap, there should be a salary PLUG. Teams should be required to at least have a 50mill payroll. You don't like it? Get out of the business.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Even if Hughes, Kennedy, Cabrera and Gardner never pan out...SOME team will be willing to give up at least serviceable players about to hit Free Agency for them.
I assume he means this one with their top pitcher being a guy who is coming off TJ surgery & Betances has never pitched above A ball (let alone Advanced A or AA...)Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
NY Yankees have improved their minors (compared to the mid 2000's) but they are still way behind the Rays,A's or even the lowly Giants when it comes to pitching prospects....
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Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
the best part is, everyone overranks them every year. they were highly ranked, top 5 in fact through the mid-2000s. Other than Cano, who panned out? Melky? Wang...he was really not brought through their farm system. Chamberlain came from nowhere and sprung up super quickly. He wasn't highly ranked until he blasted onto the scene.
And everyone knocking Marquez...while saying how great this trade was for the yanks.......Marquez was the yanks number 7 top prospect last year. If he's that crappy.....whats that say about this overrated farm?
He isn't crappy... He just doesn't have a huge upside, but is close to ML ready... Honestly, most of our pitchers with big upside are the ones in the lower minors.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay