Who's going to win, they will be announced today
I believe both are no brainers and both should be unanimous choices.
NL- Soto
AL- Longoria
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Who's going to win, they will be announced today
I believe both are no brainers and both should be unanimous choices.
NL- Soto
AL- Longoria
Agreed
lol agreed
Yeah, there shouldn't be any surprises here.
When ESPN's "experts" unanimously pick one of the awards, and come damn close to unanimously picking the other (shame on the two that picked Alexei Ramirez!), you know it's obvious.
I say
AL: Longoria
NL: Soto, but Votto has been overlooked
Longoria and Soto will win, but Votto and Ramirez should take some votes away from both.
Poor Votto... he picked a bad time to be a rookie.
As expected.
Longoria won unanimously. Alexei Ramirez placed 2nd, Jacoby Ellsbury 3rd, and Mike Aviles and Armando Galarraga were tired for fourth.
Soto got 31 of the 32 first place votes (Votto got the other 1st place vote). Votto was second, and Jair Jurrjens was third. For some reason, the BBWAA allowed the 3 second-place votes to Edinson Volquez to count, even though he was NOT a rookie, and Volquez, not a rookie, placed 4th in the Rookie of the Year voting. :rolleyes: As Rotoworld said, apparently nobody in the BBWAA cares to make sure that the writers turn in legal ballots.
Poor Volquez. Maybe he'll do better and win next year. :)
I thought he wasn't eligible. :confused:
Oops, didn't notice the 'ROY thread'. I found my answer there. :)
It is simple, the BBWA is idiotic
Merged the threads.
And yeah, the BBWAA just doesn't care if its voters follow the rules, apparantly.
Full NL results - James Loney also got a vote despite not being close to being eligible. Oddly enough, the disclaimer that Edinson Volquez received votes despite not being eligible wasn't also put on James Loney.
EDIT: Loney was actually MLB.com's mistake. He did not receive any votes. MLB.com made an error in including him in the table. From BaseballThinkFactory:
EDIT2: And they've now fixed the Loney error.Quote:
Loney finished seventh (tied for sixth with Yunel Escobar, actually) last year, with one third place vote. Whoever compiled that table just replaced the top six rows with this year's six vote-getters and accidentally left Loney's row in there.
Full AL results - Surprise! Everybody that got votes was actually eligible!
LOL @ Keith Law's blog entry:
Oh and A+ to this comment on that entry:Quote:
Edinson Volquez appears on three NL Rookie of the Year ballots, even though he’s not a rookie. It wasn’t even something esoteric like the days-on-the-roster rule; he threw 80 innings for Texas prior to 2008, and the cutoff is 50.
I think the truth about my rejected membership is that I failed the board’s intelligence test - I have some.
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What’s worse: that he appeared on three ballots or that those three (thinking he was actually eligible) didn’t vote him first?
What's so bad about Alexei Ramirez? Longoria only did a tiny bit better, and his position (3B) is more known for good hitting then Ramirez' (2B)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
A .317 OBP for one.
Ramirez wasn't BAD, but he wasn't close to Longoria.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
.272/.343/.531, 125 OPS+
.290/.317/.475, 103 OPS
Add in that using most advanced defensive metrics, Longoria was solid or better and Ramirez was below average....and then further add in that Ramirez went 13 for 22 on the basepaths against Longoria's 7 for 7.....It's really not close.
VORP compares players offense to their own position. Ramirez had a VORP of 20.7. Longoria had a VORP of 34.8.
Using WARP3, Longoria comes out to 9.2 and Ramirez comes out to 3.8. Defense plays a part in that, and Fielding Runs Above Average is the metric used in WARP, and Longoria came out to +21, while Ramirez was at -12.
Longoria was heads and shoulders above the rest of the league. Ramirez wasn't even the second best choice. That'd be Mike Aviles.
Mike Aviles > Alexi Ramirez
Yup, I said it.
You'd be 100% correct. There's really no disputing that if you're using any actual facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
Why do you always deny reality?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Yes, he was a more valuable player on the whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
Ramirez benefited from his "clutch hitting," pure power numbers, and his versatility in the field.
However, I actually believe that in the future, Ramirez could end up being the most valuable player out of himself, Aviles and Longoria. Ramirez is definitely an exciting player to watch, and his physical talent is absolutely sickening. The fact that he can play CF, 2B and SS AND hit for power is huge beyond words. If this guy learns some plate discipline so he could get on base more and find better pitches to crush, he could be an absolute stud in the future.
I'd project him as an ARod LIGHT, with more versatility and ability in the field, but significantly less plate patience and a little less power.
Aviles, yes. Longoria, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
He doesn't play any of those positions particularly well though...Quote:
Ramirez is definitely an exciting player to watch, and his physical talent is absolutely sickening. The fact that he can play CF, 2B and SS AND hit for power is huge beyond words.
That's a HUUUUUGE if. Players with such an extreme lack of plate discipline rarely develop it. Jose Reyes is the only example off the top of my head as a guy to look up too...the difference, though, besides the glaring factor of age, I think, is that Reyes was groomed as a leadoff hitter, it was his duty to get on base, so he worked at it. Ramirez is going to be groomed with power in mind, so I don't see him focusing hard on the plate discipline aspect. Anything's possible, of course.Quote:
If this guy learns some plate discipline so he could get on base more and find better pitches to crush, he could be an absolute stud in the future.
I wouldn't project him anywhere near A-Rod, light or not. Honestly, scouts have been throwing out the Alfonso Soriano comparison since he first made himself available to Major League teams, due purely to their very similar physical makeup. And, take a look at their first full seasons:Quote:
I'd project him as an ARod LIGHT, with more versatility and ability in the field, but significantly less plate patience and a little less power.
Ramirez, age 26: .290/.317/.475, 21 HR, 77 RBI, 65 R, 18 BB, 61 K, 13 SB
Soriano, age 25: .268/.304/.432, 18 HR, 73 RBI, 77 R, 29 BB, 125 K, 43 SB
Ramirez has the benefit of being a better contact hitter, with Soriano having a huge advantage in speed. I think a Soriano-type career would be the best-case scenario for Ramirez. I'd project him as Soriano-lite. I think he'll post a bunch of seasons like Soriano's 2004. .280/.320/.500, 30 HR, 10-15 SB. Very good player, especially as a second basemen, but a far cry from A-Rod light.
He's the first that came to my mind when someone said compare him to...Quote:
Alfonso Soriano