Sign C.C. Sabathia or trade for Jake Peavy?

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Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever

Peavy has a backloaded contract that goes up past $10M in like 2010 (I will look for the link I saw it on)

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his total contract is 60 million for the next 4 years with a 22 million option for a 5th. that an average of 15 million per year. sabathia will blow that out of the water

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4 years/$14.5M (2005-08), plus 2009 club option
3 years/$52M (2010-2012), plus 2013 club option

signed extension 12/12/07
10:$15M, 11:$16M, 12:$17M, 13: $22M club option ($4M buyout)
full no-trade clause for 2010, may block trades to 14 clubs in 2011 and 8 clubs in 2012 (also earns 10-and-5 rights in 2012)
award bonuses: $0.1M for WS MVP; $0.1M each for MVP or Cy Young ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd); $50,000 for All Star starter; $25,000 for All Star selection; $50,000 each for LCS MVP, Gold Glove
4 years/$14.5M (2005-08), plus 2009 club option
05:$0.75M, 06:$2.5M, 07:$4.75M, 08:$6M, 09:$8M club option ($0.5M buyout)
full no-trade clause 2008-09

signed extension 2/05 (avoided arbitration)
2008 salary increases to $6.5M with 600 IP 2005-07
2009 salary increases to $9M with 600 IP in 2006-08, with 200 IP in 2008
2009 salary increases by $0.5M with each top 3 finish in Cy Young vote in 2006-08, with top salary of $11M

2009 salary increases to $11M with Cy Young during 2005-07
$0.5M assignment bonus if traded

award bonuses: $0.1M for WS MVP; $0.1M each for MVP or Cy Young ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd); $50,000 for All Star starter; $25,000 for All Star selection; $50,000 each for LCS MVP, Gold Glove or Rolaids award ($25,000 for 2nd in Rolaids rankings)

1 year/$0.35M (2004), 3 /04
1 year/$0.305M (2003) 3/03
drafted 1999 (15-472)
agent: Barry Axelrod
ML service: 5.101

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not to mention sabathia will want more than 5 years... if peavy falls apart you are stuck with him for 4 years MAX... Sabathia will be like 6-8

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

not to mention sabathia will want more than 5 years... if peavy falls apart you are stuck with him for 4 years MAX... Sabathia will be like 6-8

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ding.ding.ding.ding.ding...we got a winner!!

Well said. 4 years max at a much lower cost than 6-8 of Sabathia at a much higher cost. As I said...i'd make a move for neither of the two, but Peavy IMO is the lesser of two evils with the contracts and health concerns taken into perspective.

Yea I was just saying he's not like 5M per year cheap

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Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever

Peavy has a backloaded contract that goes up past $10M in like 2010 (I will look for the link I saw it on)

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Try past 20 million.

Actually...

Jake Peavy rhp
4 years/$14.5M (2005-08), plus 2009 club option
3 years/$52M (2010-2012), plus 2013 club option

* signed extension 12/12/07
* 10:$15M, 11:$16M, 12:$17M, 13: $22M club option ($4M buyout)
* full no-trade clause for 2010, may block trades to 14 clubs in 2011 and 8 clubs in 2012 (also earns 10-and-5 rights in 2012)
* award bonuses: $0.1M for WS MVP; $0.1M each for MVP or Cy Young ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd); $50,000 for All Star starter; $25,000 for All Star selection; $50,000 each for LCS MVP, Gold Glove
* 4 years/$14.5M (2005-08), plus 2009 club option
o 05:$0.75M, 06:$2.5M, 07:$4.75M, 08:$6M, 09:$8M club option ($0.5M buyout)
o full no-trade clause 2008-09
o signed extension 2/05 (avoided arbitration)
o 2008 salary increases to $6.5M with 600 IP 2005-07
o 2009 salary increases to $9M with 600 IP in 2006-08, with 200 IP in 2008
o 2009 salary increases by $0.5M with each top 3 finish in Cy Young vote in 2006-08, with top salary of $11M
o 2009 salary increases to $11M with Cy Young during 2005-07
o $0.5M assignment bonus if traded
o award bonuses: $0.1M for WS MVP; $0.1M each for MVP or Cy Young ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd); $50,000 for All Star starter; $25,000 for All Star selection; $50,000 each for LCS MVP, Gold Glove or Rolaids award ($25,000 for 2nd in Rolaids rankings)
* 1 year/$0.35M (2004), 3 /04
* 1 year/$0.305M (2003) 3/03
* drafted 1999 (15-472)
* agent: Barry Axelrod
* ML service: 5.101

I didn't know how much it was I didn't wanna get anyone upsate by saying 20M and it be 15M

lol braves coulds always trade for him then trade him next year when there is noone again / or very limited again.

and its only over 20 in the option year

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Originally Posted by dickay

ding.ding.ding.ding.ding...we got a winner!!

Well said. 4 years max at a much lower cost than 6-8 of Sabathia at a much higher cost. As I said...i'd make a move for neither of the two, but Peavy IMO is the lesser of two evils with the contracts and health concerns taken into perspective.

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Mike hamptno was 15 million this year, pedro for 12 million, pettite got 16, mussina got 18, Oswalt for 13, hudson for 13.

you are telling me you would not take a guy who has never had any real problems and has pitched to a sub 3 era for how many seasons??? and has pitched 200+ innings how many times??? for 15 million a year....

id rather 15 per year than 20 and I think sabathia will end somewhere around 22-23

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

lol braves coulds always trade for him then trade him next year when there is noone again / or very limited again.

and its only over 20 in the option year


Mike hamptno was 15 million this year, pedro for 12 million, pettite got 16, mussina got 18, Oswalt for 13, hudson for 13.

you are telling me you would not take a guy who has never had any real problems and has pitched to a sub 3 era for how many seasons??? and has pitched 200+ innings how many times??? for 15 million a year....

id rather 15 per year than 20 and I think sabathia will end somewhere around 22-23

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I've said Peavy is the better bet of the two with the contracts in mind by far IMO...but he'll be costly to get prospect wise and I really haven't looked closely at it but I do remember alot of comments about his health. I"d have to look closer at that.....there's a reason why SD is looking to move him and I don't think its his contract which as you state is not all that bad.

I think they are moving him because they want to rebuild... why keep him and then trade him for 1 year or so at the end when he can DEMAND his option possibly be picked up. He can here too but i don think he will REALLY force it.

Id rather sign lowe for a 3 year deal and take a shot with Sheets or if we can get Perez for 10-12 per year for 2-3 years (I think he is going to want 15-16 tho and I dont think he REALLY is worth it) just because I dont want to give up the prospects. BUT I didnt wnat to give up the guys we gave up for hudson and look where they turned out (not even in the minors)

I would trade him tho if its a bunch or R-AA guys tho. look we may give up the next Nolan Ryan or Scott Kazmir but its a chance im willing to take with a nobody.

What I DON'T want to see is EVERYONE gone

The thing is how will Peavy's contract LOOK 2 years down the road ? When Meche was signed a couple back,it was though to be over-valued,now it looks under-valued.

Also CC has proved that he can be effective in BOTH leagues & under duress (ie short rest/pennant race).Peavy has a "club" friendly deal (for at least 2/3 years).Both,incredibly have 121 ERA+ but Peavy's has to be looked at that his is based on 400 less IPs & has significantly improved since Petco opened,whereas CC has been 140+ in the last 3 years.

Problem is CC is available to say 3/4 teams max,whereas Peavy is available to MOST competitive teams ie Atlanta can be in on the "Peavy" sweep BUT not in the "CC sweep".

Horses for courses.....as a Red Sox fan I would go after Lowe rather than either....:)