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Brewers offer CC 5 years 90-100 million
From TH brewers blog
On another subject, don't believe those rumors that have been reported that the Brewers have offered left-hander CC Sabathia a four-year contract for $110 million. I have it on good authority that no offer has been made yet and that those numbers are higher than the Brewers are considering.
The Brewers would be more likely to offer a five-year deal from between $90 million and $100 million, making Sabathia's yearly pay $20 million or less. They would be hard-pressed to go higher with a total team payroll between $80 million and $90 million.
The Brewers probably will make their offer on Monday.
Why even offer him a deal then? 5 yrs 90 million would be an embarassing offer in my opinion to a guy who carried you into the playoffs.
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BrewCrewFan255
Why even offer him a deal then? 5 yrs 90 million would be an embarassing offer in my opinion to a guy who carried you into the playoffs.
Public relations
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So the Brew Crew can tell their fans "we tried"
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So basically 5 years at 95 million(the mean number of 90-100 million). LOL
See good bye to Sabathia Brewer fans
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HoustonGM
Public relations
100% correct.
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defense
So basically 5 years at 95 million(the mean number of 90-100 million). LOL
See good bye to Sabathia Brewer fans
and to sheets and probably Fielder and a winning season streak. we'll wait another 26 years before they make the playoffs again.
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Fielder isn't a free agent yet, and he's under club control for three more years, so the only way he's gone is if they trade him, which is possible since the Brewers are willing to listen to offers.
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I wouldn't sign Sabathia to a long-term contract and I definitely wouldn't pay him $20 million a year. However, I'm sure Steinbrenner will pay him $50 million a year to pitch for his $300 million mediocre team.
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Passed Ball
I wouldn't sign Sabathia to a long-term contract and I definitely wouldn't pay him $20 million a year. However, I'm sure Steinbrenner will pay him $50 million a year to pitch for his $300 million mediocre team.
Irrational sour grapes for the Yankees I see
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It's obviously not a great offer, but if C.C. enjoys Milwaukee, which he's said he has, it wouldn't be a terrible offer for him to take.
That said, there's still little to no chance he re-signs with the Brewers. Personally, I see him going to the Dodgers.
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YEAH DAAAAWG
It's obviously not a great offer, but if C.C. enjoys Milwaukee, which he's said he has, it wouldn't be a terrible offer for him to take.
That said, there's still little to no chance he re-signs with the Brewers. Personally, I see him going to the Dodgers.
Another example of PR on the player's part. Most players will say they enjoyed their time in (insert city name here). It's not smart for them to say otherwise. I agree with you though on the Dodgers. C.C. lives in southern California and wants to stay in the National League since he loves hitting, so that would seem the most logical. It's just a matter of if the interest is reciprocated.
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BINGLEBOP
Another example of PR on the player's part. Most players will say they enjoyed their time in (insert city name here). It's not smart for them to say otherwise.
That's true. But, assuming he does actually like the city, the fans, the team, the ownership and so on, it's not a terrible offer.
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I agree with you though on the Dodgers. C.C. lives in southern California and wants to stay in the National League since he loves hitting, so that would seem the most logical. It's just a matter of if the interest is reciprocated.
I'm fairly certain the Dodgers have reportedly been interested. I know they were in on him when he was on the block so I can't imagine they'd be any less interested when they're only giving up money, as opposed to a litany of high-end prospects AND a possibility of money. The Yankees are gonna try to throw a ton of money at him, but the Dodgers have some money to throw around and the dual benefits of being closer to his home and of allowing him to hit on a regular basis.
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That is true. I highly doubt it will be the best offer though, and it probably wouldn't be smart on the Brewers part to do that either.
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BINGLEBOP
Another example of PR on the player's part. Most players will say they enjoyed their time in (insert city name here). It's not smart for them to say otherwise. I agree with you though on the Dodgers. C.C. lives in southern California and wants to stay in the National League since he loves hitting, so that would seem the most logical. It's just a matter of if the interest is reciprocated.
The Dodgers would love to have him, but Frank McCourt cannot afford to get in a bidding war with the Yankees. LA has too many other holes to fill. I think it's more likely that McCourt tells Colletti to raid the farm system and trade for Jake Peavy.
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beerchaser
The Dodgers would love to have him, but Frank McCourt cannot afford to get in a bidding war with the Yankees. LA has too many other holes to fill. I think it's more likely that McCourt tells Colletti to raid the farm system and trade for Jake Peavy.
I think the Dodgers could get him with an offer a bit lower than the Yankees, because of the reasons I mentioned before. Those being that they're closer to home for him and he'll get to hit.
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YEAH DAAAAWG
I think the Dodgers could get him with an offer a bit lower than the Yankees, because of the reasons I mentioned before. Those being that they're closer to home for him and he'll get to hit.
I agree that the Dodgers could probably get CC cheaper than what it would cost the Yankees, but even so the number will still be so large as to be more than what McCourt can afford. Not with all the other holes that LA has to fill, i.e. SS, 3B, LF, etc. If they could somehow dump the Andruw Jones and Juan Pierre contracts then it becomes more affordable but we all know that ain't gonna happen.
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we will take andruw if you pay all but 5 million :p
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IT was like the Mariners offer for 3 years at 13million per year in 2000 for A-rod...
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TheNamelessPoet
we will take andruw if you pay all but 5 million :p
What's your cell number, I'm gonna have Ned give you a call
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TheNamelessPoet
we will take andruw if you pay all but 5 million :p
the Dodgers would gladly take that offer.
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:p
I'd LOVE to see andruw back again :p
i think if he loses some of that weight he put on he could be productive again. Id take him as a rental but im not giving anything up for him. They would have to waive him I think
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3680365
Phuck it, evidently $ isn't a problem for the brewers after all. I mean only $10mill for Cameron? What a steal!!1! I was worried they wouldn't pick up his option & then have to re-sign him for like $4mill after they realized nobody else thinks he's worth that kind of cash :rolleyes:
Seriously, I think most of the people on this forum could make better decisions than half the GMs
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etothep
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3680365
Phuck it, evidently $ isn't a problem for the brewers after all. I mean only $10mill for Cameron? What a steal!!1! I was worried they wouldn't pick up his option & then have to re-sign him for like $4mill after they realized nobody else thinks he's worth that kind of cash :rolleyes:
Seriously, I think most of the people on this forum could make better decisions than half the GMs
That maybe be a but high for him, bu if you think he would only get 4m your nuts, on the markey he would proabaly get 7-8M for 3 years.
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Picking up Cameron's option was a fine move.
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gRYFYN1
That maybe be a but high for him, bu if you think he would only get 4m your nuts, on the markey he would proabaly get 7-8M for 3 years.
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HoustonGM
Picking up Cameron's option was a fine move.
agreed but if u resigned him... it would have been for more years
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Ok, allow me to rephrase it. Cameron shouldn't be making up a between 1/9-1/10 of a team's salary (depending on what other moves the Brewers make. If you want to reach on an offer to a player., there are much better options out there to overpay for.
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etothep
Ok, allow me to rephrase it. Cameron shouldn't be making up a between 1/9-1/10 of a team's salary (depending on what other moves the Brewers make. If you want to reach on an offer to a player., there are much better options out there to overpay for.
Still...if not him, than who plays center field?
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Plus there's the benefit of having him for only one year (resigning to a 1 year deal would be hard and demand close to the same money), where you can reevaluate the situation after this year.
Being 36, even a 3 year deal carries some risk; so while overpaying a bit for him, the risk is rather low.
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HoustonGM
Still...if not him, than who plays center field?
If I were given the option, I would throw Hart in CF. To replace him in RF, I'd trade either Durham or Weeks (or even trade one of them for a CF if they could, to keep Hart in right). If you can't find a suitable deal, then I'd price Dunn, Juan Rivera, Casey Blake, & Raul Ibanez. Obviously Dunn will cost more, but is younger & brings more to the table. Ibanez is obviously riskier with him being 1 year older than Cameron, but I feel his consistency at the plate places him higher than Cameron (even though he is a Type A though I believe). I see Blake & Rivera wanting longer deals (obviously), but costing less per, being younger & at least equal to Cameron in my opinion. I just don't see spending $10mil on Cameron just to have a CF but hold onto 2 2B ($7.5mill for a backup 2B on a mid-market team at best doesn't sound like a winning strategy to me either). It comes down to whether they want to keep the nucleus together & try to field winning/competitive teams in the coming years, or if they think losing their top 2 pitchers will do enough damage to them to make staying competitive the next year or 2 less likely. I personally think, in the weak NL, they can still vie for a WC spot next season, assuming their younger guys keep improving & Gallardo can stay healthy.
& for the record, no, I don't think they'll find a better backup 2B than Durham
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I was thinking bad move on dunn.. BUT... if u trade fielder for a top flight SP Dunn is not a HORRIBLE idea
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etothep
If I were given the option, I would throw Hart in CF. To replace him in RF, I'd trade either Durham or Weeks (or even trade one of them for a CF if they could, to keep Hart in right). If you can't find a suitable deal, then I'd price Dunn, Juan Rivera, Casey Blake, & Raul Ibanez. Obviously Dunn will cost more, but is younger & brings more to the table. Ibanez is obviously riskier with him being 1 year older than Cameron, but I feel his consistency at the plate places him higher than Cameron (even though he is a Type A though I believe). I see Blake & Rivera wanting longer deals (obviously), but costing less per, being younger & at least equal to Cameron in my opinion.
You're greatly downgrading defensively with ALL those options, while only marginally upgrading offensively with Ibanez. Dunn would be a big offensive upgrade, but the downgrade in defense gives a lot of that back, not to mention the money you'd have to give to him.
Plus, all those options would require multi-year commitments.
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HoustonGM
You're downgrading defensively with ALL those options, while only marginally upgrading offensively with Dunn and Ibanez.
Plus, they'd all require multi-year commitments.
agreed...
thats why I thought cameron was the best option... if it doesnt work and he is terrible and they stink at the trading deadline someoen will take him off your hands if nothing but a defensive replacement. He certainly is not the cameron of old (tho i have not seen him much I should not make that assumption) but he is decent defensivly. Dave Roberts anyone??? all around i Think it was a decent move. It's not insainly expensive because you would have to pay that out on the open market... and defense is VERY important
Tampa got their by better ERA and less errors (and yes better defense not nesicarily errors but poor play)
Colorado the same the year before.
a small market team is not goint to out slug you (except in rare occasions) so defense is very important in key positions and CF is one of those positions
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TheNamelessPoet
I was thinking bad move on dunn.. BUT... if u trade fielder for a top flight SP Dunn is not a HORRIBLE idea
Naw...not if you don't mind every ball hit to rightfield being a hit
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filihok
Naw...not if you don't mind every ball hit to rightfield being a hit
I think he meant adding Dunn and having him play first, in the event Fielder was traded.
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HoustonGM
I think he meant adding Dunn and having him play first, in the event Fielder was traded.
Naw...not if you don't mind half the ground balls ending up in the home teams's dug out.
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filihok
Naw...not if you don't mind every ball hit to rightfield being a hit
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HoustonGM
I think he meant adding Dunn and having him play first, in the event Fielder was traded.
i did sorry... forgot to mention that
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filihok
Naw...not if you don't mind half the ground balls ending up in the home teams's dug out.
rofl
