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Ok heres one for ya...
If your the sox... do you throw $$$ at Papelbon 4-5 years then sign K-Rod and make him the closer and Papps the setup/ put in rotation???
What do you Guys think...
In BM I'd probably do somehting like that.... BUT is is going to kill Papps
I'd make Pap back into a starter
No, if I were the Sox I wouldn't go after K-Rod, first he's going to cost 14-16 million per year if not more, they could use that money to get someone like Sabathia, Lowe, or Sheets. Plus, Pappelbon would probably be a little disapointed if the Sox signed him, considering hes the closer.
thats why you sign him 1st... I mean I know thats sneaky but they did it before with ArroyoQuote:
Originally Posted by BrewCrewFan255
Imagine if you were Pappelbon, and you sign a contract, and they promise you that you would be their closer then they go out and sign K-Rod, how would that make you feel? I bet you there's a chance he holds out after that.
No..Paps only has two good pitchs. Also you don't make an overrated guy like Krod the most highly paid player on the team. Sox have cleaned Krods clock enough to know he has no place on the team. Let some OTHER schmucks throw away good money on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
lol good pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavelb1
The Red Sox shouldn't even enter the bidding for K-Rod.
No way, Papelbon is a lot better then K-Rod.
Better, I don't think so, but I guess it's arguable.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
But a lot better? That's a stretch, man.
well based on any statistical measurement of their pitching skill, Papelbon is better.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
If anything Krod will cost about 15M per year, seeing how he will be your set-up man that seems a little pricey.
That would be like the Mets signing Ben Sheets so they can move Santana to Long-Relief.
Let's compare the two
Pappelbon:
2006: 59 Games, 68.1 IP 13 BB, 75 K, 0.92 ERA
2007: 59 Games, 58.1 IP, 15 BB, 84 K, 1.85 ERA
2008: 67 Games, 69.1 IP, 8 BB, 77 K, 2.34 ERA
Rodriguez:
2006: 69 Games, 73.0 IP, 28 BB, 98 K, 1.73 ERA
2007: 64 Games, 67.1 IP, 34 BB, 90 K, 2.81 ERA
2008: 76 Games, 68.1 IP, 34 BB, 77 K, 2.24 ERA
To me I would take Pap. and it's not close. He has a much better ERA overall, he walks a LOT less people and that's the most important thing for a closer, when you have a 2 run lead, the last thing you want is to walk someone.
It's not a stretch at all. Rodriguez has pretty poor control, and walks 30 batters or so a year. Papelbon comes with similar strikeout capability, except with superb control with walk totals of 13-15-8 over his 3 seasons as closer. Rodriguez has never walked less than 28 batters in a year, and except for that one year, has always been between 32 and 35 walks. The huge difference in keeping batters off base gives Papelbon a sizeable edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
You guys are forgetting one stat in your analysis, the easiest way to measure a relief pitcher's skill...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Dear god if you say saves...Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
id have to block him if he went there...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
He's going there...there is not other place he can go
oh and im too lazy to do it but anyone wand to add whip in there?
HBPQuote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Wild Pitches
WHIP
holds lol
if you go there you have to incorporate blown saves as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
K-Rod's career WHIP is 1.11. Over the last two years, it's 1.27. Papelbon's career WHIP is 0.93.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
probably im sure just due to the walks... thats a pretty big difference tho. an extra 3 hitters per 10 innings for K-Rod... I don't like it
I assuming you making a misguided remark at saves ...of course we all know you're just saying that because you know that its incorrect, and are trying to play off your earlier poor comment by making an outlandishly dumb comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Oh no, do NOT say the S word. I just took you off ignore, please do not make me regret it! And, you denounced that saves were not the best analystic stat for a reliver in that "I have some things to say" thread. So you would be a hypocrite, and Old Fat Guy does not like hypocrites
Before the tiny melt down he had in Sept, Jerry Remy stated that Pap had the lowest ERA of any pitcher EVER with 200 or more innings. Let me say that word again EVER. EVER includes Cy Young, Walter Johnson......and K-Rod. No way Pap goes into the rotation. His 3rd pitch never developed (his slider is so-so) plus his makeup screams closer.
'nuff saidQuote:
Originally Posted by cartman00000001
this has been a very comical read.
If the Sox sign K-Rod.....they should make HIM a starter, not Paps. I think K-Rod has great starter stuff personally.
However,
the Sox shouldn't enter the bidding at all, very much agreed. You don't overpay for a closer hoping he'll convert to a quality starter.
For 15+ million dollars a year i would rather have Boston sign freaking Barry Bonds then sign K-Rod. Fransisco Rodriguez is even more overrated then Derek Jeter
Yeah I don't think they will, not that much for an RP