Ken Rosenfraud was just on XM 175, Homeplate. basically, he said he completely underestimated the Phillies pitching staff and that they are better than most people thought.
Well, Phillies fans already thought that!
Ahhh, life is good!
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Ken Rosenfraud was just on XM 175, Homeplate. basically, he said he completely underestimated the Phillies pitching staff and that they are better than most people thought.
Well, Phillies fans already thought that!
Ahhh, life is good!
Having a couple of good games doesn't mean that the Phillies staff is better than most people thought. It's like saying Evan Longoria and Carlos Pena are worse than most people thought, which...isn't true.
The Phillies staff is good, one of the better ones in the NL. The only thing "most people" thought was that the Rays staff is better...and it is.
I totally was thinking Rays on this one. I was thinking a 4-1, maybe 4-2 series.
Phillies were surprising, especially Moyer and Blanton. They stepped up, and they deserve lots of credit for doing so. With Hamels going tonight, it looks like they could wrap it up and prove us all wrong. But the Sox couldn't take the Rays out in Game 7, so....let's see. The Rays won't go too quietly.
I'm glad it has been a surprising and good series. The WS needed this, with the sweeps getting tiring.
be careful my friend... the series is not over yet
I guess pitching doesn't win games? They ARE that good!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Well, they aren't looking all that great now, are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
This contradicts what you first said!? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
Did I say The Phillies won the series? NO!
I am just commenting on Rosenfraud's refusal to believe the Phillies are that good. And now that they are one win from winning it all, he ACTUALLY admitted they are that good. He is such a loser.
so... by manning up and admitting he was wrong instaed of saying something like "Philly got lucky" or "The best team isnt winning" or some crap like that...
HE is the loser?
If anything I give him credit for admitting he was wrong
He is still a loser. Ever since Tampa beat Boston, he has been riding Tampa so hard. He never picked Philly to win this year in any series. He never gave any respect to them. Why should I give him any respect? He doesn't deserve any.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
By the way, when he said the Phillies are that good, he was laughing, embarassingly, but laughing. What a shrimp loser.
Good grief. The Phillies are a decent team. Thats it. A handful of games means nothing. The truth is, the Phillies are not among the 5 best teams in baseball. They haven't been "underestimated". They are an OK team, that just happens to be playing good baseball at the right time. Thats all.
There really is NO pleasing you is there???
I take it you want the Feel Good Rays to win?Quote:
Originally Posted by Swampdog
Well, isn't that what you want to do? Make the playoffs and peak at the right time? This isn't Baseball Mogul on Rookie setting. This is real life!Quote:
Originally Posted by Swampdog
Fla was better than the yanks in 2003? lol
Angels were better than the Giants in 2002? (debatable)
Arizona was better than the team that won 3 in a row and 4 out of 5 (yanks)
STL was better than Det in 2005 again laughable they won 83 games
Colorado was better than any national league team in 2007??? they played good ball at the right time
thats what philly is doing. There certainly not a BAD team and its hard to say they are not even a very good team, but before you go on about how they are the best... keep in mind that the best team doesn't always win. :p
I am willing to admit I wrote the Phillies off, but i certainly and STILL Not going to say that their pitching is better than Tampa... in not insane. They are much better than I anticipated I will admit that.
Both teams have pitched well.
colorado peaked at the right time last year didnt they... and won the NL pennant... does that mean they were the best team in the NL... if you say yes ill send the guys in the white coats because you are nutsQuote:
Originally Posted by phightinphils
No, I dont care who wins the series. I do not like or dislike either team. I am, however, realistic. The Phillies were not even the best team in the National League, which is much inferior to the American League. Thats a fact, like it or not.
And yes, the goal is to be playing good ball in October. I dont blame you, a Philadelphia fan for gushing over the Phils recent success. Much like Didger fans did a couple of weeks ago, before the clock struck midnight and they turned into pumpkins again.
Enjoy your teams good fortune. The team I root for has won 2 of the past 4 world series and, believe me, I celebrated each one. The simple truth is that the best team in baseball rarely wins the World Series anymore. I would submit that, in this century, it has happened only once. And it looks like it wont be happening again this year.
only once??? who the sox last year? thats my guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Swampdog
Yes. Once. In my opinion.
Technically, yes. They represented the NL. Were they the best all year long? No, the Cubs were much better than the Rockies were.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
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Originally Posted by Swampdog
Well, like I said before, if a team plays well enough to be in the hunt for the playoffs and peak at the right time, that IS ALL THAT MATTERS! You do not have to win 162 + games to win the World Series.
Obviously not. Stating the obvious...
Oh, and I must agree, when Boston won in 2004, they were the best team in baseball that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swampdog
I dont think so.
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Originally Posted by Swampdog
than who???
Then what year do you consider them best team winning?
AS Poet stated, the Red Sox in 2007. Other than last year, I dont see how anyone who looks objectively can make a case that the best team has won in any other year.
That is a matter of opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swampdog
I think they had better players in 2004.
The Cardinals were baseballs best team in 2004. They just picked a bad time to stop playing well.
Fact? No. It is like comparing apples to oranges. Both are a part of the fruit family, but they are vastly different! You cannot compare the AL to the NL because of the designated hitter. The designated hitter is a farce and a tragedy to the true concept of baseball. Playing in the NL requires strategy to use pinch hitters for your pitchers, knowing who is coming up in the next inning and who you want throwing, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Swampdog
There are A LOT of variables that have to be considered when playing in the National League. No so much in the American League. Sure, there are other things to consider, but managers do not have to worry about the pitchers batting hurting their teams chances of scoring a run.
The National League is the superior league in terms of strategy. The American League is the superior league in terms of offense.
The American League is superior in the terms of beating the living crap out of the National League in head to head competition. The DH has absolutely nothing to do with anything. If you like the DH, or hate it....doesnt matter at all. There is more strategy without the DH, no doubt. Thats irrelevant to the discussion, however.
It is a fact. The AL is not only better, its much better than the NL. At least for now.
better players does not ALWAYS mean best TEAM... a few years after 2000 The Yankees had the best colletion pg stars... doesnt mean they had the best team... certainly does not hurt but its not always the keyQuote:
Originally Posted by phightinphils
Irrelevant to the discussion? It is RELEVANT! The DH has everything to do with it. Sign a great hitter and let him bat for your pitcher instead? Sure it makes sense, but it is not the true game of baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swampdog
It is not a fact. The only thing that is a fact is the AL is losing to the NL because the NL team is beating the living crap out of the AL team in thead to head competition and beating the crap out of the ball!
HUH? Whats the chance of getting that last sentence in plain english?
What are you talking about? It reads fine to me. I am re-itterating what you said, but in the factual terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swampdog
im pretty sure he ment it the other way around. the al is beating the crap out of the NL... the AL has DOMINATED the NL for a few years now. as for this series... its hard to say the philles are beating the crap out of tamap when the scores for 4 games are 3-2,4-3,5-4, and 10-2... i mean in 1 game they went crazy... relax... the yanks said the same thing when they scored about 20 runs in 1 game in 2004 and well... look how that turned out
Do you have any idea of the results of interleague play this year? The past few years? Do you know what the Phillies record was against the AL this year? Look it up, and educate yourself.
No, I meant it the NL is beating the crap of the AL, 3 games to 1!!!!!! That is what really matters!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by phightinphils
No, but every single player in the history of baseball has had a stretch of games where they play bad.Quote:
Well, they aren't looking all that great now, are they?
No, it doesn't.Quote:
This contradicts what you first said!? :confused:
Oh. Now I remember what you're referring to. Something Ken Rosenthal said that you took to mean something other than what he was actually saying, and now you still are.Quote:
I am just commenting on Rosenfraud's refusal to believe the Phillies are that good. And now that they are one win from winning it all, he ACTUALLY admitted they are that good. He is such a loser.
Here's a hint - picking the Phillies to lose doesn't mean "not giving them any respect." It means thinking that the other team is better.Quote:
He is still a loser. Ever since Tampa beat Boston, he has been riding Tampa so hard. He never picked Philly to win this year in any series. He never gave any respect to them. Why should I give him any respect? He doesn't deserve any.
He actually just typed it in an article, so I don't know how you what is attitude was when writing it....And I think you clearly don't considering you're still using what he said out of context.Quote:
By the way, when he said the Phillies are that good, he was laughing, embarassingly, but laughing. What a shrimp loser.
You seem to be confusing making the playoffs and playing well in the playoffs with actually BEING the better team.Quote:
Well, isn't that what you want to do? Make the playoffs and peak at the right time? This isn't Baseball Mogul on Rookie setting. This is real life!
No. It means they played the best in a short stretch of games in October.Quote:
Technically, yes.
There ya go.Quote:
They represented the NL. Were they the best all year long? No, the Cubs were much better than the Rockies were.
The DH has nothing to do with the AL being better than the NL in terms of overall talent level.Quote:
Irrelevant to the discussion? It is RELEVANT! The DH has everything to do with it. Sign a great hitter and let him bat for your pitcher instead? Sure it makes sense, but it is not the true game of baseball.
Yes. It is.Quote:
It is not a fact.
In a 7 game series.Quote:
The only think is the AL is losing to the NL because the NL team is beating the living crap out of the AL team in thead to head competition and beating the crap out of the ball!
You really think that a 7 game series between the Phillies and the Rays is evidence of which LEAGUE is better OVERALL?
Stop drawing such broad conclusions from such tiny sample sizes. It's completely ridiculous on its face to think that the entire NL is better than the entire AL because one NL team has beaten one AL team in 3 of 4 games. Also, note that the Phillies aren't beating the living crap out of the Rays, except in Game 4. Each game has been incredibly close.
It doesn't matter what happens in the regular season once you make the playoffs! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Swampdog
Yeah, thats pretty much it.
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Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Read: Yap, yap, yap.
I have my opinions and you have yours. Doen't mean you have to try and negate everyone of my opions. Go back to school.
You're correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by phightinphils
Your point?
Swampdog is saying that the American League is better than the National League, OVERALL. You're pointing to a 4 game stretch where one NL team beat one AL team in 3 of those 4 games and using that as evidence to say he's wrong? Uh.....That's just laughable.
You're very good at making ridiculous and incorrect claims, and then whimsically dismissing facts when they don't concur with your incorrect beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by phightinphils
Also, it's really funny that you're telling me to "Go back to school." Just look at your argument, and then reassess who actually needs to "go back to school."
And it is the World Series? Well, they are the games that matter! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM