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I told you guys, this must be fixed!
I think this game is going to be stopped soon, and since it's already official, the Phillies will be the World Champs after a delay. Wonder how that celebration will occur???
They ain't stopping this game. It's playing out no matter what.
This is some of the worst umpiring I've ever seen. That third "strike" to Iwamura was a foot outside at least. The Rays have had a couple calls go their way this series, but a VAST majority have gone against them.....I wouldn't not be happy at all this this effort by the umps if I were Maddon. Inexcusable.
Pena singles home Upton and the game is tied.
Rain Delay
Yep, and I guarantee you the fact the Rays tied it led up to the decision.
Even if the Rays hadn't scored..I can't imagine that MLB would've allowed them to call the game after five innings or whatever and award the Phils the series. Even if it was 2-1 right now....I can't imagine they'd let the WS end with a rain-shortened game. That woudl be a disaster.
It has been a while - but I believe that if the game couldn't be finished this is still technically a Phillies win. In the event of a rain delay it used to be that the score would revert to the score at the end of the last completed inning.
I'm sure they'll manage to finish the game eventually - maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow. But that would be an interesting decision to shorten the game.
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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
They would have to its in the rulebook. You can't change the rules just because its the world series.
No, that rule was changed, don't remember when though (I'll try to look it up). But it did used to revert to that last complete inning, but now, by rule, it becomes a suspended game, and whenever resumed (tonight, tomorrow, or whenever) it takes up from where it left off, the bottom of the sixth with the score tied 2-2.Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny1234
That's why I'm sure the reason they called it when they did was because the Rays tied it. I would've been interesting to see if/when they would've called it had the Rays NOT tied it. By having the Rays tie it, it took MLB off the hook from an embarrassing way to end the World Series.
Yeah, I just looked it up and realized that I was wrong.
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Originally Posted by Reade
I just don't think Selig would allow that to happen. I'd imagine there is some way Selig can overrule the rulebook.
Agreed. The umpiring has been absolutely terrible this entire series, and it's really gone against both teams at different times.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
I don't think the rulebook says anything that prevents MLB from continuing the game tomorrow, or on Tuesday, or next week if it came to that. And I would assume that will be the solution. If the weather stays bad, maybe they even finish the game in Tampa.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
If the game hadn't been tied, MLB rules dictate it would've been an official completed game (once it's officially called).Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny1234
- (c) If a game is called, it is a regulation game:
- (1) If five innings have been completed;
- (2) If the home team has scored more runs in four or four and a fraction half-innings than the visiting team has scored in five completed half-innings;
- (3) If the home team scores one or more runs in its half of the fifth inning to tie the score.
- (d) If a regulation game is called with the score tied, it shall become a suspended game. See Rule 4.12.
- (e) If a game is called before it has become a regulation game, the umpire shall declare it “No Game.”
thank you
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Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I know what the Rulebook says, but I'd imagine that there is SOMETHING that allows the league commissioner to make a special ruling to suspend the game in special situations..with this being a special situation if the score was 2-1. I don't know for sure either way, but I just can't imagine Selig allowing the World Series to end that way...that would be a disaster of epic proportions. I have to think Selig would be able to step in somehow if such unusual circumstances presented themselves.
Haha, don't put anything past budQuote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
Selig couldn't do squat about it. There is no special rule just because its the world series
Yeah, I get what you're saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
It's all moot though as they let the game play until it was tied. :)
game is suspended until tomorrow, where the weather is supposed to be as bad as it is tonight
It's also a rule that if a player gets hit by a pitch but doesn't try to get out of the way, he doesn't get to take a base. Tell me the last time and how often you see that one get called.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
Rules get bended all the time and there are always some exceptions. Until the situation actually presents itself, nobody can know for sure.
Even if it wasn't tied, I don't think there is anything in the rule book that says a game can't be suspended instead of called.
I'm slowly reading through Rob Neyer's in-game chat transcript on ESPN. At the point where I'm at now (half way), two people have chimed in regarding this rule, neither with any actual proof:
Zak (Illadelphia): it would be after 5, but you have to complete the entire 9 in the postseason
aladdin (stamford, ct): zak, your actually wrong...the same rules apply here as they do in the regular season...however, i cannot see mlb ending a teams season on a rain delay
I'll post if there's any more comments. Suffice it to say, KowboyKoop is right. Unless the situation presented itself, we have no way to know FOR SURE. Bud Selig did end an All Star Game in a tie, which, while not directly comparable for obvious reasons, is a point in favor of "Bud Selig will do anything possible to save his ass."
I have no proof or evidence or precedent for my thoughts...I just think it would be such a gigantic disaster to name a WS winner after waiting out a rain delay....I mean, how long is enough to wait before ending a team's chances of winning the WS. What if they wait two hours, name the Phils the champs, and then an hour later the rain lets us....can you IMAGINE the outrage of the Rays and their fans??? How long do you wait..exactly how hard does the rain have to get before calling a game final after 5 innings.....so much controversy. I can't imagine a WS game ever ending this way, regardless of the rulebook...I gotta imagine there is something in some rulebook somewhere that gives the commissioner special authority in extreme circumstances.....
More from the Neyer chat:
Rob Neyer: (10:30 PM ET ) Hey, at least it was close, maybe two inches outside. Meanwhile, it's now raining harder and Crawford goes down quickly . . . Okay, according to Jon Miller there's no special rule for World Series games. So if this one's stopped tonight for good, the Phillies are World Champs. Which I'm sure they wouldn't mind, but this might go down as the worst World Series ever.
I just heard from our Fox News Sports Caster.... that apparently Bud Selig made it clear that even if the Rays did not score that second run the Phillies would not have been named the winner due to the rule book... so it must be somewhere???
Here's a bold prediction...Due to this close call, they'll officially add a rule stating that playoff games, World Series or otherwise, are suspended if they are called off, regardless of the score, and must go the full 9 innings.
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Originally Posted by BBMogulLover21
I'm sure this issue was being argued/discussed intensely before the Rays scored that run....IF Selig said this..I am not surprised. Still though, until it happens...I'm not going to assume for sure one way or the other. I believe this is what Selig or the acting commissioner would do though...
You're talking about a guy who changed the rules to avoid a tie IN AN ALL STAR GAME. No way in HELL is he going to let a World Series be decided because a game ends early due to rain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reade
its the best series ive seen in years I dont know WHAT is meant by it might go down as the worst series ever... at least it is entertaining to watchQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Selig did say after the game that if the game wasn't tied there could be a four or five day rain delay, he said the game will be at least 9 innings long and he told both teams that before the game started.
It would have been interesting to see what the Phillies organization would have done if the game wasn't tied and they stopped it. I think the Phillies would've had a legit grip about a 4 or 5 day rain delay.
so... if they cant get it in today??? to they push back the tampa games... because they are unnessicary if philly wins?
If it's true that Selig informed both teams prior to the game, I don't see what they would have to legitimately complain about...Quote:
I think the Phillies would've had a legit grip about a 4 or 5 day rain delay.
I don't see why not. Hopefully they don't run into scheduling problems with the facilities...Quote:
so... if they cant get it in today??? to they push back the tampa games... because they are unnessicary if philly wins?
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Originally Posted by ohms_law
That would assume that other people actually want to rent out that dump the Rays call home..................
lol
Believe me, they do. I guarantee it.
It wouldn't still be there otherwise. No baseball park, football stadium, or arena in the country relies only on the sports franchises that play there. There's no way for a facility to earn enough to pay for itself by relying only on sports.
i was thinking scheduling problems with people going to tampa...
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Originally Posted by ohms_law
According to the site the next thing scheduled at the trop is Nov 8th ...
Any World Series ended due to rain in the 5th inning absolutely is a horrible World Series.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
but its not ending... they are going to finish the game... i guess i read the article wrong... i thought it meant that other things about the series were horrible. Yes they have blown calls but they do in every game so its not THAT big a deal especialy when you compare to the other series recently. and I honestly am VERY much enjojing this seriesQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM