bingo! What do you think? Something like...oh let's say........Jason Bay type numbers? Maybe less than Bay?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Bay's career: .282 .375 .516
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bingo! What do you think? Something like...oh let's say........Jason Bay type numbers? Maybe less than Bay?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Bay's career: .282 .375 .516
Maybe slightly worse offensive numbers than Bay, but makes up for it with much better defense and baserunning.Quote:
Originally Posted by cartman00000001
Most of the rumors I have heard have been involving the Angels.
Here is a link about Holliday rumors
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/1...day-derby.html
Another outfielder! :eek: They are going to be full of overpriced OFers like Guerrero, Matthews, Anderson, and Hunter!Quote:
Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever
I would say Bay and Holliday are equal players in terms of how much money I would give them.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Also, the Royals as potential suitors? That is the first time I have heard the Royals in trade talks for a big name player in a while...
IDK, but that's what the article said.
and this is why rumors are fun to talk about, but they are based on nothing that is logical.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Exactly why the Cardinals got rid of him. We didn't think he would ever have the numbers he expected to be paid for.....and he had high stock....but he is still a great player...just overpaid
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Originally Posted by justanewguy
I want him in St. Louis! but I don't see anything happening til well after winter meetings....IF a trade happens...he is a great hitter thoguh!
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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
Get used to hearing about the Royals more, the organization is getting a lot better a lot quicker than most people realize.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
That being said...the Royals have no chance at Holliday. They won't meet the Rockies asking price.
If the Royals traded their young players for an one year Boras rental, the whole direction of the team would be killed, and their future would be ruined in my opinion. They would have no chance to retain him
If the Royals have to trade for any big name star, it should be someone who is locked up long term so they don't risk losing the player
Will he be traded? if so, to where
Merged into this thread, same topic.
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Originally Posted by defense
It's very unlikely. The ONLY thing that might sway Dayton Moore to do it is that he has a lot of experience dealing with Boras...and they appear to have a pretty good relationship (as much as possible anyways). It's not happening, but I guess you never do know. If the Royals could trade for him and sign him long term..that'd obviously be awesome...but it is very, very unlikely.
Color me crazy, but what do you guys think of Youkilis being experimented with at catcher??
- He came into professional baseball as a catcher.
- He's played great defense everywhere he's been put.
- He is said to be one who spends hours studying other pitchers.
- He's got the 'leadership' type qualities you want in a catcher.
- His bat will surely drop off though it is hard to believe it will be worse than Youk's and he still knows how to work a pitcher.
- Very healthy young player who is a good bet to withstand the rigors.
This move frees up 1st for Tex if they seriously are interested, and is one of the only ways to unquestionably improve your offense at catcher. All this talk about Salty, Teagarden, Kottaras...all big questionmarks. The big questionmark with Youk, is can he call a game and handle the rigors of catching? I think its a safer bet to say yes based upon his dedication at making himself a strong defender everywhere he's been put.
Usually, there's a reason that a player is moved from behind the plate, and most such players never make the move back.
yes...the sox had a career type catcher blocking Youks way to the majors is one safe bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
of course....speculating either way is just as effective as speculating that maybe he could be converted back to an everyday catcher.
Considering he's a Gold Glove caliber first baseman, probably not. And with the last time he played catcher being 2001, that's a long time off, and even then it was only for a few games. It's not like Baseball Mogul where you can switch positions seamlessly.
The argument he's a gold glove 1B is moot to all those talking about moving him to 3rd and bringing Tex in (who's also a gold glove caliber).Quote:
Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP
Regarding the seamless transition...the point is that if anyone can do it, one would think Youk would have a good a chance as any seeing his ability to field at a high level wherever moved to in the past.
I don't think that really matters....catcher is TREMENDOUSLY different than any other position.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I'm not saying it wouldn't work, though. I'm just saying...nothing we know would give us any indication one way or the other. Yeah, he used to be a catcher....but he's far removed from that. There's a counter to every point in favor of it.
I was going to mention his ability at third base as well, but didn't list it there since he hasn't won a Gold Glove at third yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Agreed, though it is one which he's played before.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Whether he'd be a quality catcher was never the question...the question was basically, is this an intriguing idea to attempt based upon the facts given (prior experience, solid defender, only way to unequivocally improve offense at catcher, etc.) if they do in fact acquire Tex? Would you consider it, and/or do you think the Sox would?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I might consider it, but I don't think Boston would.
I'd love to see Youk as the catcher for the 2009 Boston Red Sox.
I believe you're a Yankee fan so...seeing that prior to 2008 season Cashman said without delay that if he could take anyone off the Red Sox team he'd take Varitek off, I'm not surprised. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
If the Red Sox were coming off a 65 win season..sure, experiment with Youk at catcher if you want...but to do that coming off a 95 win year or whatever..that'd be pretty damn silly if you ask me. Why can't Youk just play 3B?? Lowell is coming off of injury, getting old..and coming off of an okay year last year..but certainly Youk is a huge upgrade over him.
This thread has turned from possible suitors for holiday to a red sox debate over youk and drew
It's been about all 3. There's considerably more Holliday talk, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
I don't think Youk is a 'huge' upgrade over Lowell...a healthy Lowell and the two are pretty interchangable. I'll give Youk a slight advantage...however, how else do you propose improving catcher? A 95 win team with a rookie catcher who's not proved himself yet (salty, Kottaras, Teagarden) or bringing back Tek who was a huge liability at the plate. If Tex comes in, Youk is the best bet of all of them at catcher to improve your offense. Its pretty cut & dry....if he's able to perform it I think its an option that has to be on the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
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Originally Posted by dickay
There may not be much difference between Youk and Lowell in Lowell's prime..but Lowell isn't in his prime, he'll be 35 next year and coming off of a fairly significant injury. Going into next year, Youkilis is far and away the better player than Lowell....Youk's OPS was 160 points higher than Lowell's last year...and Lowell is probably only going to get worse at his age.
You can't just tell Youk to go buy a catcher's mitt and go play catcher now. Youk at catcher in 2009 is not an option. They'll find another option, probably a FA.
Here are your options. Good luck with them....i'd try to sign Tex, and if I land him I'd bring in someone like Valentin and experiment with moving Youk to the position. Have a three way battle between Youk, Kottaras, and (Valentin/experienced vet) for the job and if it doesn't work out...you got Youk playing third spelled by Lowell.Quote:
You can't just tell Youk to go buy a catcher's mitt and go play catcher now. Youk at catcher in 2009 is not an option. They'll find another option, probably a FA.
Catchers
Brad Ausmus (40)
Paul Bako (37)
Rod Barajas (33) - $2.5MM club option for '09 with a $0.5MM buyout
Josh Bard (31)
Michael Barrett (32)
Henry Blanco (37) - $3MM mutual option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout
Johnny Estrada (33)
Toby Hall (33) - $2.25MM club option for '09 with a $0.15MM buyout
Jason LaRue (35)
Paul Lo Duca (37)
Miguel Olivo (30) - $2.7MM mutual option for '09 with a $0.1MM buyout
Ivan Rodriguez (37)
David Ross (32)
Javier Valentin (33)
Jason Varitek (37)
Gregg Zaun (38)
dickay, where'd you get the list of FA's?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/1...lb-free-a.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
wow...I didn't realize it was a list put out last december for 2009 FA's. Some of them were probably signed, doubt it's entirely accurate.
Looks like plenty of fine options to me. You aren't just going to magically acquire a catcher who is going to put up a .900 OPS with 30 HRs......Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
this site is more current;
Catchers Club
Rod Barajas TOR
Henry Blanco* CHC
Toby Hall* CWS
Mike Redmond* MIN
Ivan Rodriguez NYY
Javier Valentin CIN
Jason Varitek BOS
Gregg Zaun* TOR
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives..._preview_o.php
exactly:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
..and you're aren't just going to magically tell Youk to put on a catcher's mitt and expect him to play the position adaquately. There is a decent chance that moving Youk to catcher in 2009 would be a disaster..and it'd be pretty stupid for the BoSox to cost themselves even a few games while experimenting with this when they will be chasing the Rays once again....Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
IF they sign Tex, keep Youk at 3B, sign Miguel Olivo as your catcher. Not sure what is wrong with that...
Just his .275 career OBP:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
Lots of catchers have poor offense. Sign one of the other FA catchers then. You aren't going to find a catcher who can actually play the position and put up elite offensive numbers. Youk isn't an option, no matter how much you want it to be. Mike Sweeney played catcher once, maybe you should just sign him and put him there...simple!Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay