trades/signing this off season (Matt Holliday)

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Holliday is available
Matt Holliday | Rockies
According to the Denver Post, the Rockies have made it known to teams around the league that Matt Holliday is available.

Holliday, who will be a free agent after next season, turned down a multiyear contract last spring, and there hasn't been any progress on a new deal since, the Post reports. The Rockies will be looking for elite starting pitching in exchange for Holliday, and it's expected that the Red Sox, the Yankees, the Angels and the Mets will be interested.

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this is from ESPN insider...
the Sox are interested in him... and WHERE is he going to play?
Drew to center maybe???

HTTP://SPORTSILLUSTRATED.CNN.COM/200...OOP/INDEX.HTML

They say that a trade is VERY LIKELY

I gaurantee you that O'Dud will screw this up

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Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever

HTTP://SPORTSILLUSTRATED.CNN.COM/200...OOP/INDEX.HTML

They say that a trade is VERY LIKELY

I gaurantee you that O'Dud will screw this up

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I cant see the link

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

this is from ESPN insider...
the Sox are interested in him... and WHERE is he going to play?
Drew to center maybe???

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Then what about ellsbury?

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Originally Posted by Reade

Then what about ellsbury?

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I would think he is going to be in the trade. they are not going to trade holliday for bay are they

Why keep Drew?

He's overrated, getting older and over payed. I would much rather have a outfield of Holliday, Bay, Ellsbury.

Yea but drew is signed for like 4 more years to a TON of $$$ Colorado isn't going to take that $$$ on.

Drew could be traded somewhere that isn't Colorado. But I can't even begin to think of a taker. The Yankees maybe? But they would probably rather sign Manny or another OF FA, and would not want to trade with the Red Sox anyway.

I'd like to see the Dodgers trade for Holliday if he's as available as he supposedly is. But yeah, that trade won't happen.

The Mets or Yankees would be a good fit for Holliday. But that's not saying much. Both those teams are a good fit for any player that isn't a 3B or SS.

That's kind of interesting, actually. I never realized just how similar those teams are in terms of needs. They have room to take anything other than 3B or SS, and will both be looking for SP, RP, OF and 1B.

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Originally Posted by Reade

Why keep Drew?

He's overrated, getting older and over payed. I would much rather have a outfield of Holliday, Bay, Ellsbury.

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What part of his near .900 career OPS, including an OBP north of .400 last year, is overrated?? He's getting older, fine...but Drew is underrated, if anything. Career OPS+ of 129 is pretty damn good.

I cant see the Yanks since they have nothing the Sox want.
Mets I can DEFINATLY see but it would take a TON and the Mets have NOTHING after the Santana deal.

I can see the braves trying to take a shot at him... i just dont know who they woudl want back. and with manny gone... the sox cant really give up much. unless they definatly get texeria... and even the,... they add tex he can take over for manny behind ortiz and you have a MONSTRER lineup again.

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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop

What part of his near .900 career OPS, including an OBP north of .400 last year, is overrated?? He's getting older, fine...but Drew is underrated, if anything. Career OPS+ of 129 is pretty damn good.

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Drew is a very good player.

He's overlooked, because as a "slugger" type of player, his career high for HR is 31, and he only has 3 seasons at or over 20 HRs, out of 10 seasons. And he is an injury risk.

He tends to be misused. I think the Dodgers expected 30+ HR out of him each year, for some reason. Personally... as a Dodger fan, I was very unhappy with his production there, even in spite of the .900 OPS. Being injured for half of a season can make you unpopular, though. Also, being expected to carry a team as their slugger, when you're not a slugger...

He's an IDEAL #2 hitter, but he hasn't been used in that role in a very long time.

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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop

What part of his near .900 career OPS, including an OBP north of .400 last year, is overrated?? He's getting older, fine...but Drew is underrated, if anything. Career OPS+ of 129 is pretty damn good.

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Thats why he's playing for his 4th team and has only played a 140 games in a year 3 times and was almost booed out of Boston last year. Plus only 1 100 rbi season and has been run out of every city he's played for. Way over payed. He's never lived up to his ego and never will live up to his potential

I wouldn't want to see the Yankees trade for him. One year rental with Boras as his agent? Pass

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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop

What part of his near .900 career OPS, including an OBP north of .400 last year, is overrated?? He's getting older, fine...but Drew is underrated, if anything. Career OPS+ of 129 is pretty damn good.

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Guy can hit. Only problem is he averages about 119 games per season(not including 1998, where he was called up for 14 games), which isn't that good, and health doesn't improve with advanced age.

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He tends to be misused

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That i could believe

Rockies will look at Ellsbury, for sure. I'm also thinking they will look at Justin Masterson as a possibility. Especially losing Fuentes this year. Doubt the Sox will trade Masterson.

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Originally Posted by defense

I wouldn't want to see the Yankees trade for him. One year rental with Boras as his agent? Pass

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J.D. Drew of
5 years/$70M (2007-11)

* 5 years/$70M (2007-11)
o signed by Boston as a free agent 1/07
o 07:$14M, 08:$14M, 09:$14M, 10:$14M, 11:$14M
o limited no-trade clause allowing Drew to block deals to 2 clubs
o $9M of 2011 salary will be deferred at 1% interest unless Drew plays 500 games from 2007 to 2010 or 375 games from 2008 to 2010
o Boston may opt out of either of final 2 seasons if Drew:
+ spends 35 days on the disabled list in either 2009 or 2010 with injury related to pre-existing right shoulder condition, or
+ finishes 2009 or 2010 season on the disabled list and cannot play outfield the following season
o award bonuses: $0.2M for MVP ($0.125M for placing 2nd, $0.1M for 3rd, $75,000 for 4th, $50,000 for 5th), $0.1M each for Gold Glove, Silver Slugger or WS MVP, $75,000 for LCS MVP, $50,000 for All Star selection
* 5 years/$55M (2005-09)
o signed by LA Dodgers as a free agent 12/04
o $2M signing bonus
o 05:$9M, 06-09:$11M/year
o escape clause gives Drew right to leave as free agent after 2006
o Drew exercised escape clause & filed for free agency 11/06
* 1 year/$4.2M (2004), avoided arbitration 1 /04
* 1 year/$3.7M (2003), avoided arbitration 1 /03
* 1 year/$3.1M (2002), signed 1 /02
* 4 years/$7M (1998-2001)
* agent: Scott Boras
* ML service: 9.020

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he is signed thru 2011 and if injuries become a problem... his last 2 years can be voided. Id take him back on the braves

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

he is signed thru 2011 and if unjurioes become a problem... his lat 2 years can be vloded. Id take him back on the braves

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Defense is referring to Holliday, I think.

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Originally Posted by koolzach1

Defense is referring to Holliday, I think.

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if u mean having defense is more important i agree

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

if u mean having defense is more important i agree

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the person defense is referring to Holliday is a one year rental.

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

the person defense is referring to Holliday is a one year rental.

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lol what a fool (me) i forgot his anme was defense lol. i agree that Holliday would end up a rental

Lol, it's ok, I have those moments often, so I cannot say anything :D

Anyways... Yeah, he'd be a one year rental and then get a monster deal from whoever would be willing to pay... Won't be the Rockies, though.

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Originally Posted by koolzach1

Defense is referring to Holliday, I think.

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Correct

I would assume the Red Sox would be willing to pay Holliday to a long term deal if they somehow moved Drew. Or hell, even if not. lol

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

I would assume the Red Sox would be willing to pay Holliday to a long term deal if they somehow moved Drew. Or hell, even if not. lol

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Usually Boras clients tend to never sign before free agency, even if their current teams give them a fair extension offer

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Originally Posted by Reade

Thats why he's playing for his 4th team and has only played a 140 games in a year 3 times and was almost booed out of Boston last year. Plus only 1 100 rbi season and has been run out of every city he's played for. Way over payed. He's never lived up to his ego and never will live up to his potential

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Manny Ramirez will be playing for his 4th team next year...does that mean he is overrated?? Please.

Drew wasn't hearing too many boo's in Boston this year...especially when he pretty much single handedly engineered one of the greatest comebacks in playoff history.

You apparently don't like him, which is fine, but when healthy, he's a damn good hitter and is in no way "overrated." It's not like people are going around calling him one of the elite sluggers in baseball.....I'd argue he's underrated rather than overrated...b/c a lot of people do really silly things like use RBI totals to judge offensive ability....

Sox arn't going to go after Holliday. Price will be too high.

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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop

You apparently don't like him, which is fine, but when healthy, he's a damn good hitter and is in no way "overrated." It's not like people are going around calling him one of the elite sluggers in baseball.....I'd argue he's underrated rather than overrated...b/c a lot of people do really silly things like use RBI totals to judge offensive ability....

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Agreed. Drew's a very underrated player. His one huge problem is he's an injury risk...and that he happened to have an off-year in his first year of a highly-publicized contract in the media frenzy that is Boston.


Anyway, Boston's not going to go after Holliday. They're not dumb. They recognize that they're currently fine in the outfield, and they recognize that Holliday is going to be way overpriced because there's going to be a team that doesn't account for park factors well. Most of the time, these things saying a "team will be interested" are rumors with no substantial evidence.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Agreed. Drew's a very underrated player. His one huge problem is he's an injury risk...and that he happened to have an off-year in his first year of a highly-publicized contract in the media frenzy that is Boston.


Anyway, Boston's not going to go after Holliday. They're not dumb. They recognize that they're currently fine in the outfield, and they recognize that Holliday is going to be way overpriced because there's going to be a team that doesn't account for park factors well. Most of the time, these things saying a "team will be interested" are rumors with no substantial evidence.

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I agree Drew is underrated, he puts up great numbers...however as I said in a different thread, he does often have horrific plate approach. Thats totally different to plate discipline. There is a time you HAVE to be agressive at the plate, and Drew NEVER is. I don't think he's swung at a 3-0 pitch in his whole career. What pi$$es me off most is his defensive swings on 2-0 pitches and the like with guys on base. All to often i've seen him swing defensively and slap a slow roller for a double play...or fail to move runners over. He seems way too concerned about his OBP.

However, everything being equal...i'd take Drew and the frustrating at bats if I could get that OBP. He is an underrated player at the plate in general, and is very good in the field. Moving him for Holliday and his 'coors added' numbers would be a horrific move. The Sox outfield is fine. I'd give Ellsbury another go at it and if you can't keep Coco acquire a competent fourth OF'er. I'm by no means sold Ellsbury will be a solid everyday CF'er but he is MLB ready and talented. He needs another shot.

Texiera is intriguing but what to do with Lowell & Yuke? I personally am not as high on Tex as others are largely because he comes with a long term high dollar contract. I'd rather the Sox try to acquire a solid SS via trade or FA if ones available. They have to assume Ortiz will return to form...or close to it. Improving the bats on the bench is important.

One thing I'd be interested to se.....Yuke used to be a catcher at one point in the minors. He's played solid defense everywhere hes been. Could he be converted to catcher? You'd see a drop off in offense for sure but he doesn't swing at bad pitches and would be a big improvement over Tek at the plate.

O'Dowd, Please don't trade him! It would be cool to see him in Boston, because I could see him more often, but Colorado needs him.

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

Rockies will look at Ellsbury, for sure. I'm also thinking they will look at Justin Masterson as a possibility. Especially losing Fuentes this year. Doubt the Sox will trade Masterson.

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I don't think we will go after Ellsbury. We have Fowler to come up and play CF in a few years and then they'd probably play Spilborghs in left.

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

O'Dowd, Please don't trade him! It would be cool to see him in Boston, because I could see him more often, but Colorado needs him.

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Rockies aren't resigning a Boras client. Might as well trade him

:) get rid of him i dont like him so i think they should get rid of him

nope, don't want him.

1. Too expensive
2. No place for him (J.D. Drew has NO trade value, and no, he's not playing CF)
3. Home/Road stats show he's overrated

Last 3 years:

home .332 15 59 .413
road .308 10 29 .405

2007

home .376 25 82 .435
road .301 11 55 .374

2006

home .373 22 78 .440
road .280 12 36 .333 (biggest OBP difference)

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Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever

I don't think we will go after Ellsbury. We have Fowler to come up and play CF in a few years and then they'd probably play Spilborghs in left.

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That is true. Fowler could be ready by next year even. But I'm not sold on Spilly quite yet though. But we'll see.

We're not going to resign the guy so might as well trade him out of town as soon as possible when teams are willing. Getting young pitchers is always a plus.

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Originally Posted by cartman00000001

nope, don't want him.

1. Too expensive
2. No place for him (J.D. Drew has NO trade value, and no, he's not playing CF)
3. Home/Road stats show he's overrated

Last 3 years:

home .332 15 59 .413
road .308 10 29 .405

2007

home .376 25 82 .435
road .301 11 55 .374

2006

home .373 22 78 .440
road .280 12 36 .333 (biggest OBP difference)

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say what???? I suppose if being better at home vs. on the road means you are overrated, more than half the league is well um..'overrated'!!!

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Originally Posted by dickay

say what???? I suppose if being better at home vs. on the road means you are overrated, more than half the league is well um..'overrated'!!!

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Exactly! And, his road stats still are very good!

Well, as everyone knows, Coors Field is a VERY hitters friendly park, so I definitely see that argument. Though, his home/road splits have improved over the years, so I still think that when he leaves Coors, he will still be a .300, .380, .510 player or so.

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Originally Posted by dickay

say what???? I suppose if being better at home vs. on the road means you are overrated, more than half the league is well um..'overrated'!!!

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Coors Field is one of the best "hitters parks" in the majors. He hits considerably better(atleast .030 batting average points better at Coors, more power at Coors, etc.).

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Originally Posted by dickay

say what???? I suppose if being better at home vs. on the road means you are overrated, more than half the league is well um..'overrated'!!!

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That's not the point. The point is that Coors Field inflates his statistics. He's still very good, and you can't just look at his road numbers and say "that's what he actually is without Coors" because it doesn't work that way, but he's worse than his raw numbers indicate. His OPS is over 200 points higher at home than on the road, which is extremely significant. I'd say, away from Coors, he'd put up .290/.360/.500 seasons...still very good, but not worth the price he's going to command.