Chamberlain apologizes for 'an error in judgment' after DUI arrest
totaly off the topic on it but... why did the car have dealer plates???
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Chamberlain apologizes for 'an error in judgment' after DUI arrest
totaly off the topic on it but... why did the car have dealer plates???
He just bought it?
And am I allowed to lose respect for Joba because he put innocent people's lives at risk, or do I have to "cut him a break" because he made a "mistake"
if he just bought it it would have temp plates on it. its illegal to drive with dealer plates unless he is test driving it or bringing it from 1 dealer to another.. a.d based on the time of night and intoxification id say it does nto fall into those catagoriesQuote:
Originally Posted by filihok
as far as a second chance... im on the fence... if it was at .085 id say easy just cut him a break... over .10 tho you KNOW you are over then
He's sorry he got caught
Mikey, what are we doing about IL30? Get me on AIM when you can.
Join me on the loss of respect train. I have no time for ANYONE stupid enough to drive drunk, ESPECIALLY someone who can easily afford to hire a car.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
I thought "the Stilt" was dead!
it doesn't take alot of booze to register a .08...in fact many of us have probably been above it but not pulled over. Without knowing his BAC or the circumstances surrounding this, its really arrogant to give him a hard time over this. Now repeat offenders...i have no patient for. People grossly intoxicated I have no patience for. But we don't know the circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
Sorry, but I am going to give him a hard time. Why take the chance? You can afford a car service, you can afford a cab, so just get one. Problem solved. Heck, there IS no problem if you do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
From Rotoworld:Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
It's been revealed that Chamberlain's blood-alcohol content level was 0.134 at the time of his arrest Saturday morning; the legal limit in Nebraska is 0.08.
I think that you have to cut him some slack... I am VERY confident that he is not the only face athlete to drive while intoxicated.
Complete loss of respect for him as a person. Nothing wrong with cheering for him on the field, but as a person, he's an idiot...and I say that about ANY person who drives while intoxicated. The "oh, lots of people do it, it's not that big of a deal" excuse is absolute BS. It onlly takes ONE time for you to get a little careless and kill somebody..then you'll be blubbering in court and saying "oh, I didn't mean to" and other crap. Playing with people's lives by driving drunk is just completely unacceptable.....too bad there are so many idiots in the world who do think it's okay.
I just hope that he doesn't have a problem and becomes the next Sidney Ponson.
This is moot houston as many, probably you included, posted they would hold this against him even before knowing his BAC. .134 while high, depending on your tolerance many can function at that level without others knowing they are intoxicated. Doesn't make it right, it was a dumb decision. A decision a great many of Americans who critique those given DUI's have made themselves (hypocrites).Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
As someone else posted, he can afford a cab. True, but i'm venturing a guess that pretty much everyone caught for DUI could have afforded a cab or made a call as well. Having money in no way makes this work.
They should make the laws against this very strict for first offense to reduce it happening. Second offenders should serve jail time. I can't stand people who drink and drive...but knowing i've gotten behind the wheel where I felt I was fine but more than likely would have failed a breathalizer so I won't be a hipocrite.
I was just posting some pertinent information. Also, just to clarify, I didn't post anything prior to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
I'll go out on a limb and say you've done it before. Have you ever had a couple beers at a bar and gotten behind the wheel? New years eve party? Wedding? Have you sped while driving? Rolled through a stop sign? Or are you perfect in every way because that is how you present yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
Speeding is something people do KNOWINGLY. Driving while intoxicated very often someone has a couple glasses of wine and maybe a beer and they don't even know they are above the level. You have to know the circumstances before you can judge.
I don't see anyone saying 'its not a big deal'. I agree that excuse would be absolute BS. But those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones fits better.
I can swear I read where you posted stated you had 'lost respect' for him. Maybe I mistook you for someone else, or maybe it disappeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
It never happened. I generally don't care at all about the off-field lives of athletes, unless they're particularly good (Albert Pujols, Mariano Rivera, etc.) or particularly bad (can't think of any such baseball players off the top of my head).Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
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Originally Posted by dickay
I've never had a drink of alcohol in my life.
Trying to equate drunken driving with "rolling through a stop sign" is just ridiculous. Drinking and driving is CLEARLY way worse than going 5 mph over the speed limit. I don't drive excesively over the speed limit b/c that would also be very stupid and I wouldn't feel the least bit sorry for someone who did and got in a wreck. Same for someone who went through a red light/stop sign and got hurt..wouldn't feel sorry one single bit.
But drinking and driving is LEGAL so long as you don't drink too much whereas going over the speed limit or 'rolling through a stop sign' is ALWAYS ILLEGAL.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
I'm not trying to minimize a dui in any way....its horrific. But millions of americans could be pulled over and be found in excess of the legal BAC. I know someone pulled over because of a burned out taillight and the officer smelt booze and put them through a breathalizer which was failed by the slightest amount. In his case, one could say he was driving more 'safely' than you who are speeding as he wasn't pulled over because of any moving violation.
I'm obviously talking about being over the legal limit. I'm not saying if you have one beer and drive you should go to the electric chair.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Again...trying to compare drinking and driving to driving a little over the speed limit is just embarrassing. I shouldn't have to tell you why.
Millions of americans could be pulled over for it. That's the problem..it's so stupid yet it's so common today. I wish they would all get pulled over and I wish their punishment would be harsh. Just because they didn't happen to kill somebody one time doesn't mean the law shouldn't be harsh in trying to prevent it. As for your friend, I'm glad they caught him. If he was over the legal limit, he should be punished for it. No sympathy here...just because he didn't kill someone that time doesn't mean he won't next time. I believe we should prevent it from happening again...but if he's like most people, he'll just do it again and keep pressing his luck.
Umm...any baseball player of the last 20 years or so who was knowingly breaking laws by taking, buying, or distributing illegal substances.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Ambiorix Burgos who killed two women with his Hummer and then drove away? Class act for sure
Any of these numb****s like Joba have the potential for doing just that every time the make these "errors in judgement".
As society we need to (make the laws a lot tougher) quit giving them a free pass and go back to the old "shame" routine.
He can press his luck all he wants, I don't care. When he's pressing MY luck, or my niece's or nephew's luck, or my mom's luck, that's when we have a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
Yup.....that's the point. Everytime a person drives drunk (no matter how drunk they are or how "in control" they think they are) they put other people's lives in danger...yet it's so acceptable among people today..especially my generation (I'm 24 years old) and it's not going away until the laws get a LOT tougher.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
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As society we need to (make the laws a lot tougher) quit giving them a free pass and go back to the old "shame" routine.
I agree with all of this. The laws aren't strict enough to really discourage this activity. It should be much much stricter. There is a reason why CDL holders are much more responsible....their legal limit of .02 allows for zero tolerance really and they lose their CAREER. It definetly effects judgement.Quote:
I wish they would all get pulled over and I wish their punishment would be harsh.
Immediate jailtime, loss of license for 3 years, etc. would immediately greatly reduce these instances.
I don't classify that as "particularly bad."Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
This guy, I would.Quote:
Ambiorix Burgos who killed two women with his Hummer and then drove away? Class act for sure
Let me clarify my statement though. I barely concern myself with the off-field life of athletes at all, even in the particularly good and bad cases. I'm just more apt to say "That guy's an *******" if he was part of a hit and run, or "That guy's a good guy" if he does a bunch of charitable work like Albert Pujols. But, frankly, I don't give a crap about the off-field lives of athletes unless it somehow has an effect on the field. They're people just like us and as such there's going to be jerks and nice dudes.
I'm all for that. Let's all write to our representatives...or go get some petitions signed...
and...tumbleweeds blowing across the desert...
I've done it a couple of times. I know a lot of people who have as well. I'm not a bad person necessarily, and the people i know who've done it are not necessarily bad people.
It doesn't make you a bad person. It makes you a person who is obviously very capable of executing poor judgment.
It's similar to having unprotected sex. The difference being legality, but it's a very poor choice. Though it's probably not going to end up with life-altering consequences, it very well could, and it's unwise. But it doesn't make you a bad person. It makes you a person who didn't practice good judgment in a given situation where practicing "good judgment" and "better safe than sorry" were competing with convenience and "a good time."
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Originally Posted by justanewguy
Yes...very similar to unprotected sex. Having unprotected sex..you might catch a disease or get a girl pregnant. Drunk driving, you can kill yourself and more importantly, kill multiple other people.
Yeah...same thing....WTF!??!?!?
Drunk driving makes you a bad person. If you stop doing it, you won't be a bad person. Keep doing it, and you're still a bad person. If/when you are driving drunk and you kill somebody, try telling the victim's family that you "aren't a bad person" and just used "poor judgement." I'm sure that will make them feel better.
Think about it for a second.Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
Think about it.
Seriously, you didn't grow up in a barn, did you?
Also, I didn't say "same thing," I said "similar."
I am torn between saying I agree, because I generally do, and... on the other hand, someone who has "never taken a drink" in their life is difficult to attempt to reason with on something like this, so I don't really agree with you.Quote:
Drunk driving makes you a bad person. If you stop doing it, you won't be a bad person. Keep doing it, and you're still a bad person. If/when you are driving drunk and you kill somebody, try telling the victim's family that you "aren't a bad person" and just used "poor judgement." I'm sure that will make them feel better.
The whole "if you stop doing it" thing only goes so far. Practically nobody does this as a thing. It's not like smoking crack or beating your wife. It's something that HAPPENS sometimes. If you would think it through, you'd see that's the point I was making when comparing it to "unprotected sex."
It's something that people do in a moment, when their judgment is lacking. It's not something people TEND to do, or SET OUT to do.
It's an issue of lack of good judgment. Lack of good judgment can cause bad things. Talking on the cell phone while driving can kill people (and has been proven, in many studies, to be just as dangerous as drunk driving). Plenty of bad judgment can kill people.
It's a STUPID thing to do. Continuing doing it is STUPID. But it's little more than that, whatever the consequences. It's STUPID. It doesn't make you a bad person. It makes you someone who is capable of doing something STUPID.
You are right, it is not a 'thing' people make a habit of doing. Fact is some VERY good people have gotten DUI's after only a couple glasses of wine. It doesn't take much for some people to get to that .08. They often may not even realize they are intoxicated and still drive and those caught in this situation are often caught because of other things outside of their reckless driving (checkpoints, vehicle problems, ancillary accidents).Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
It is still wrong and irresponsible. It would not happen nearly as often if the penalties were more severe.
I have little to no sympathy for anyone getting a DUI....though I don't label them all bad people either. It often is a dumb decision....and yes sometimes those decisions are fatal. Good people make bad decisions. We can't all be as perfect as some apparently.
I know first hand that there is no amount of 'i'm sorry' that could be given to a parent who loses someone so suddenly at the hand of a driver who makes a bad decision. Cowboypoops point there is well taken.....however good people do dumb things sometimes.
Drunk driving and unprotected sex. Not the same thing. Not similar. I don't care what word you want to use..they aren't even close to being similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
So...I can't be reasoned with on this issue because I don't drink alcohol?? Please, it's not my fault that you've had too much to drink and then got behind the wheel of a car. Seems to me I'm the more reasonable one here.
Your tone of "oh, it's just bad judgement" is what is so sickening. It's so accepted in our society as just a little mistake..as long as nobody dies or gets seriously hurt. It's not a lack of judgement...it's not just something that "happens." It puts other people's lives in danger. Trying to reason with me that "it just happens sometimes" is just pathetic. Go up to someone who has lost their child b/c of a drunk driver who wasn't even that drunk and tell them "hey, buzzed driving just happens sometimes." See what happens. Something tells me you wouldn't say that to them...because it's absolute garbage. Just because someone doesn't get killed everytime someone drives drunk doesn't mean it's less bad. It's an absolutely awful thing to do every single time...if it is something that "just happens" to you, then stop drinking.
Simply put, justanewguy is, basically right, and so is KowboyKoop. You both make good points.
I will say this. A person that has a couple drinks and then gets behind the wheel once doesn't automatically become a bad person. Sorry, but the world isn't so black and white.
Does it make them a bad person? No. Stupid? Yeah. Shortsighted? HELL yeah. I sort of wonder about the people he was out with, too (I'm assuming there were other people). A few times a friend of mine has tried to drive after drinking too much, and we just haven't let him.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
It's a stupid, short-sighted decision, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
If you want to STOP DUI just do as in Scandinavia - introduce ZERO level tolerance.
That way it is simple & removes the hypocrisy & risk. You drink = no drive ....
I don't know why you are so adamant about their not being similar. They both:Quote:
Originally Posted by KowboyKoop
- are heat-of-the-moment decisions
- are POOR decisions
- fly in the face of good judgment
- probably will not result in anything bad happening after one occurrence (this is just a statistical fact)
- are more likely to cause personal financial or health consequences than damage to others (sorry, it's true)
- CAN be fatal to others
I would almost be willing to bet you that AIDS has cost our country as many lives as drunk driving in the past 25 years.
Nobody said it was your fault. You would make the more reasonable decision CONCERNING drunk driving. But you're not as capable of understanding or being objective about this situation, and, frankly, you are in the minority. It'd be like attempting to explain to someone who is a virgin how anyone could ever possibly end up having unprotected sex.Quote:
So...I can't be reasoned with on this issue because I don't drink alcohol?? Please, it's not my fault that you've had too much to drink and then got behind the wheel of a car. Seems to me I'm the more reasonable one here.
Which is actually the overwhelmingly common effect of either unprotected sex or drunk driving. The vast, vast, vast majority of times people drive drunk, nobody is hurt. Again, I'd like to bring up cell phones. Cell phones are just as likely to cause accidents, or fatal accidents, as drinking is. Making a call while you are driving is STUPID, it's self-serving, but it doesn't mean you're a bad person.Quote:
Your tone of "oh, it's just bad judgement" is what is so sickening. It's so accepted in our society as just a little mistake..as long as nobody dies or gets seriously hurt.
It is not. Try separating your emotions from this and THINK about it. I appreciate your concern, but I'm not advocating drunk driving, and I'm agreeing with you that it's VERY stupid, and that if you continue to do it, you're probably a bad person.Quote:
It's not a lack of judgement...it's not just something that "happens." It puts other people's lives in danger. Trying to reason with me that "it just happens sometimes" is just pathetic.
This is not something people do to do it. This is not a tendency. Someone who abuses their wife INTENDS to do so, and sets out to do so, and continues to do so. People who drive drunk will probably generally say something like "Oh, I'm not going to hurt anyone." They're being stupid. Not evil. Very few people drink and drive and consider it to be a "who cares?" type of thing, if challenged about it. And people who will drive drunk RARELY make a habit of it.
I feel very bad for these people, but sh*t happens. It's part of life. Should you go up to them and instead tell them that the drunk driver was an evil, horrible person who intended to do such things? That'd be a lie, and it's not bringing anyone back. You're not going to say anything that means anything to such a person. You're turning this away from logic and involving emotion WAY too much. Again, the same thing could be said for cell phones, driving while tired, A LOT OF THINGS.Quote:
Go up to someone who has lost their child b/c of a drunk driver who wasn't even that drunk and tell them "hey, buzzed driving just happens sometimes." See what happens. Something tells me you wouldn't say that to them...because it's absolute garbage.
I actually WOULD tell them that "this thing happens." Because it does.
I never said it was. I simply said the INTENT is not there. It can't be compared to bad things like brandishing guns, spousal abuse, gang activity, violence... a LOT of things. These are things that make someone a bad person.Quote:
Just because someone doesn't get killed everytime someone drives drunk doesn't mean it's less bad.
I agree, 100%. But I don't think it makes you an AWFUL person. Please don't tell me you've never, ever made a mistake in your life that could have had a profoundly negative effect on anyone. Get off your high horse.Quote:
It's an absolutely awful thing to do every single time...
If it were a PROBLEM (which it isn't, with most people who do it), then yes. Otherwise, again, you're in the minority.Quote:
if it is something that "just happens" to you, then stop drinking.
I'm not trying to be cold, I'm not even really trying to argue. I appreciate that you're a nice guy, and that you're taking the good side... I'm just trying to say it's not black or white or one or the other. It's a STUPID thing to do, but it doesn't mean you're a BAD PERSON.
I agree completely, and KowboyKoop does make good points. I just don't agree with the vehemence or scarlet letter aspects of what he suggests.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Pretty good summary of the average Human being,HGM.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Most humans are exactly that plus gluttonous/envious etc Dante was right when he wrote the "Divine Comedy" ,just human nature my friend!
This was a tuff one since I often get harsh on NFL players. Lots of people get DWIs.
Joba was driving a brand new BMW w/ dealer tags in bum**** Nebraska. He blew a 1.3. Yes he is wrong, but just think that where he was driving was a cop who probably just pulled him for 1) having a BMW and 2) was super bored. Would he have gotten yanked in NJ or Cal.? Probably not.
At least he did a mia culpa right away and didnt blame it on a Jewish conspiracy. that is pts in his favor.
On the flip side, one should never drive drunk. I have been super lucky all my life but stopped tempting fate a long time ago. Just look at Jim Leyritz from the NYY. He killed someone is probably going to get 7-15 years.
key word is 'too much'. thats very often not easy to tell. it doesn't take much for some people to get to that .08 lvl and many who have high tolerance levels one could never even tell without a breathalizer. Its not simply black and white. Fact is there are some who are just stupid, who get into their cars completely beligerant, and then there are some who didn't know themselves they were above .08. Are they both the same??? No. They both were irresponsible though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast