I'm pi$$ed....

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

Not happening... Rays will win tomorrow and you guys will be done... if you get the incredible luck to make it to the World Series you will get crushed by Philadelphia.

And the thing that annoys me about Red Sox fans is that they are fair-weather fans... before 2004 not many people were showing up and now everyone seems to be a Sox fan... they're really the only team that does that (besides the Yankees,of course :D)

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they have been showing since 1998 or so not since 2004
and the yanks had NOONE in the stand in the 80's early 90's too. NO team draws when the team sux. you watch... Mil puts a few good years together and they will start to draw more, same wih tampa. KC if they were not so missmanaged woudl draw as well.

NYM
1992 Attendance: 1,779,534 (8th of 12)
1993 Attendance: 1,873,183 (11th of 14)
1995 Atendance: 1,273,183 (11th of 14)
1996 Attendance: 1,588,323 (12th of 14)
1997 Attendance: 1,766,174 (10th of 14)


On ONE draws when you stink

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

NYM
1992 Attendance: 1,779,534 (8th of 12)
1993 Attendance: 1,873,183 (11th of 14)
1995 Atendance: 1,273,183 (11th of 14)
1996 Attendance: 1,588,323 (12th of 14)
1997 Attendance: 1,766,174 (10th of 14)


On ONE draws when you stink

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hahahhahahaaha..good find;)

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Originally Posted by dickay

hahahhahahaaha..good find;)

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1985 Attendance: 1,786,633 (7th of 14)
thats the last time the sox were under 2 million in attendance :p

i dont think 1992 when they were in last place they were fair weather fans :p

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2006 AL East 86-76 (.531) 3 Terry Francona Ramirez Schilling 2006
2005 AL East 95-67 (.586) WC  2 Terry Francona Ortiz Wakefield 2005
2004 AL East 98-64 (.605) WS 2 Terry Francona Ramirez Schilling 2004
2003 AL East 95-67 (.586) WC  2 Grady Little Ramirez Martinez 2003
2002 AL East 93-69 (.574) 2 Grady Little Ramirez Martinez 2002
2001 AL East 82-79 (.509) 2 Jimy Williams and Joe Kerrigan Ramirez Wakefield 2001
2000 AL East 85-77 (.525) 2 Jimy Williams Garciaparra Martinez 2000
1999 AL East 94-68 (.580) WC  2 Jimy Williams Garciaparra Martinez 1999
1998 AL East 92-70 (.568) WC  2 Jimy Williams Vaughn Martinez 1998
1997 AL East 78-84 (.481) 4 Jimy Williams Vaughn Gordon 1997
1996 AL East 85-77 (.525) 3 Kevin Kennedy Vaughn Clemens 1996
1995 AL East 86-58 (.597) DIV 1 Kevin Kennedy Vaughn Wakefield 1995
1994 AL East 54-61 (.470) 4 Butch Hobson Vaughn Clemens 1994
1993 AL East 80-82 (.494) 5 Butch Hobson Vaughn Viola 1993
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1991 AL East 84-78 (.519) 2 Joe Morgan Boggs Clemens 1991
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Originally Posted by dickay

so your not saying when we can cheer and jeer, but then you are saying its 'just rediclous' for red sox fans to ***** about their team when they lose??? I said STFU, and I should have clarified....you can whine/*****/mock any team whenever you want...but when you tell someone when they can and can't ***** about their team, then yes you need to STFU.

I can understand Royal fans not being as passionate about losing. Not trying to be funny with that statement, but they have certain expectations. I can understand you being upset about baseball economics..even as a Sox fan I am upset and will agree with you there. But to say Red Sox fans have nothing to complain about solely because they have won recently is ignorant. Thats part of being a sports fan....and just because the Sox have won, i'm sorry but i'm not turning in my sports fan hat because you and other ignorant people like you think for some reason its arrogant to be in anything but lifelong total euphoria!! It doesn't work that way. If you don't like Red Sox fans complaining about their teams performance, ignore it.

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Royals fans are just as passionate about our team. The difference is we don't constantly whine to anyone who will listen. For EVERY SINGLE SEASON before their WS win in 2004, BoSox fans were the whiniest bunch imaginable....you would think that would change with their recent success, but it hasn't. BoSox fans have been whining a lot as soon as they fell behind this series. Again, there is a difference between cheering for a win and being upset about a loss and constant whining. Boston and Yankee fans are just constantly whining about everything if every little thing doesn't go their way.

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

1985 Attendance: 1,786,633 (7th of 14)
thats the last time the sox were under 2 million in attendance :p

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hahahahaahaha, even better.

I'm from CT. and here in the northeast I honestly have not seen 'a ton' of new red sox fans after 04'. Most of the area already was avid sox fans prior to. I suppose maybe they did pop up elsewhere around the country, can't say for sure personally. Like its a big mystery though, teams do well....they draw fans.

People who get upset at this kind of thing are just pessimists. I'd say a very high percentage of people actually affiliate with teams who performed well during their youth or initial exposure to the team. The larger percentage probably get their allegiance through a family member yes, but a significant amount of sports fans in general drew their allegiance from a winning team. Even those who are Royals fans, surely many of them were probably living near the KC area but fell in love with them during their hey days and WS win in 85. In fact...i'd love to know how old cowboypooper is. I"m gonna venture he was born around the mid-70's. Just a hunch...i think he's a fair weather homer fan. ;) Metsguy, 13 years old...was what 5 or 6 when the Mets got to the series in 2000? Thats a bit young, probably some family interest that turned him onto the mets but their 00 performance may have played apart.

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

thats because some of us feel as tho you guys are friends/family.

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aw, you can really feel the love :p

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Originally Posted by dickay

so your not saying when we can cheer and jeer, but then you are saying its 'just rediclous' for red sox fans to ***** about their team when they lose??? I said STFU, and I should have clarified....you can whine/*****/mock any team whenever you want...but when you tell someone when they can and can't ***** about their team, then yes you need to STFU.

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I know I've requested this before, but can we make b!tch an allowable word on here?

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Originally Posted by dickay

hahahahaahaha, even better.

I'm from CT. and here in the northeast I honestly have not seen 'a ton' of new red sox fans after 04'. Most of the area already was avid sox fans prior to. I suppose maybe they did pop up elsewhere around the country, can't say for sure personally. Like its a big mystery though, teams do well....they draw fans.

People who get upset at this kind of thing are just pessimists. I'd say a very high percentage of people actually affiliate with teams who performed well during their youth or initial exposure to the team. The larger percentage probably get their allegiance through a family member yes, but a significant amount of sports fans in general drew their allegiance from a winning team. Even those who are Royals fans, surely many of them were probably living near the KC area but fell in love with them during their hey days and WS win in 85. In fact...i'd love to know how old cowboypooper is. I"m gonna venture he was born around the mid-70's. Just a hunch...i think he's a fair weather homer fan. ;) Metsguy, 13 years old...was what 5 or 6 when the Mets got to the series in 2000? Thats a bit young, probably some family interest that turned him onto the mets but their 00 performance may have played apart.

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I was born in 84. Grew up near KC, been a diehard fan of the Royals since about 2000 probably....of course winning draws more fans, but this "Red Sox nation" crap is a lot more than just that. People living in Des Moines, Iowa all of a sudden being "huge BoSox fans" after throwing away their Braves hats is just pathetic.

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Originally Posted by dickay

hahahahaahaha, even better.

I'm from CT. and here in the northeast I honestly have not seen 'a ton' of new red sox fans after 04'. Most of the area already was avid sox fans prior to. I suppose maybe they did pop up elsewhere around the country, can't say for sure personally. Like its a big mystery though, teams do well....they draw fans.

People who get upset at this kind of thing are just pessimists. I'd say a very high percentage of people actually affiliate with teams who performed well during their youth or initial exposure to the team. The larger percentage probably get their allegiance through a family member yes, but a significant amount of sports fans in general drew their allegiance from a winning team. Even those who are Royals fans, surely many of them were probably living near the KC area but fell in love with them during their hey days and WS win in 85. In fact...i'd love to know how old cowboypooper is. I"m gonna venture he was born around the mid-70's. Just a hunch...i think he's a fair weather homer fan. ;)

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lol thats just mean

the reason you hear complaints is because
A. they have WAY more fans, always have since 1901 as the americans (NOT the red stocking Beaneaters etc thats braves history, the oldest consective runing franchise IN MLB (take that cincy :p)
B. They are EXPECTED to win... Look at the $$$ they spend.
C. When was th last time KC was expected to even be decent... 1985???
D. People who dont like you alutomaticly become Red Sox fans because they know it annoys you:p
E. I am out of reason even the last one was REALLLY reaching in :p

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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop

I was born in 84. Grew up near KC, been a diehard fan of the Royals since about 2000 probably....of course winning draws more fans, but this "Red Sox nation" crap is a lot more than just that. People living in Des Moines, Iowa all of a sudden being "huge BoSox fans" after throwing away their Braves hats is just pathetic.

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agreed. there are WAY to many fairweather fans...
But you must admit.. let the royal's fans coum out after a WS apearence or even 2-3 division champs

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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop

I was born in 84. Grew up near KC, been a diehard fan of the Royals since about 2000 probably....of course winning draws more fans, but this "Red Sox nation" crap is a lot more than just that. People living in Des Moines, Iowa all of a sudden being "huge BoSox fans" after throwing away their Braves hats is just pathetic.

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Kauffman Stadium rocks. I'm very disappointed I won't be able to see the Sox there until late September next year...that sucks. Opening Day in 2007 was beautiful. Reo!

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2005 AL East 95-67 (.586) WC  2 Terry Francona Ortiz Wakefield 2005
2004 AL East 98-64 (.605) WS 2 Terry Francona Ramirez Schilling 2004
2003 AL East 95-67 (.586) WC  2 Grady Little Ramirez Martinez 2003
2002 AL East 93-69 (.574) 2 Grady Little Ramirez Martinez 2002
2001 AL East 82-79 (.509) 2 Jimy Williams and Joe Kerrigan Ramirez Wakefield 2001
2000 AL East 85-77 (.525) 2 Jimy Williams Garciaparra Martinez 2000
1999 AL East 94-68 (.580) WC  2 Jimy Williams Garciaparra Martinez 1999
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1996 AL East 85-77 (.525) 3 Kevin Kennedy Vaughn Clemens 1996
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even better

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even better

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1994 AL East 70-43 1  Yankee Stadium II (ballparks) 1,675,556 29,656 7th of 14 30.4/29.8 97/96
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1992 AL East 76-86 4  Yankee Stadium II (ballparks) 1,748,737 21,589 11th of 14 28.3/29.5 100/100

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sox out drew yanks even when yanks were a few games better... who are the loyal ones :p

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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop

this "Red Sox nation" crap is a lot more than just that. People living in Des Moines, Iowa all of a sudden being "huge BoSox fans" after throwing away their Braves hats is just pathetic.

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Ugh. I can't take it, anymore.

I love the people b!tching endlessly about all of the b!tching everyone else is doing.

Classic.

:rolleyes:

Really, we got it:

-- Not everyone roots for the teams you think they should root for, and they're dysfunctional or substandard fans for not doing so. Fine. Conceded.

-- Any fan who professes their love of a team and gets excited about their run of success is "pathetic", or "crap", or otherwise inappropriate or obnoxious. OK. Another point for you guys.

-- Any fan who expresses frustration at their own team's subpar performance or seeming bad luck is "whining" or "bit(hing". Great. You win.

Better?

Gads! Enough, already...

/patiently waiting, of course, for the obligatory "that's not what I said" replies/

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Originally Posted by StreetMedic

/patiently waiting, of course, for the obligatory "that's not what I said" replies/

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nuff said :p