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id LOVE it but not a chance... then again i said the same about hudson and we got him for a bag of balls
There's no way you'd get Peavy for anything like what Hudson came at. Times have changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
EDIT: A good take on it.
it would honestly take a MONSTER offer. Im talking like schafer, francouer, escovar and jurjins... and Im NOT giving all that up
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3647795
I didnt think there REALLY was much talk in this but maybe so.
Id give hanson, francouer, and either james or reyes.
If it came down to it... id give all 3. we get peave and we instantly become a contender again. What bout Griffey at center (makes up fror francouer loss) and ad peavy lol... that could be just 20 million added lol.. we could throw 7 years 150 at texeria... and then WATCH OUT this year AND next. Imagine in 2 years, Peavy, Hudson, Jurjens. I LIKE it :p
Why would he want to go to atlanta? Adding Peavy to this team wouldn't make them a contender in the NL east. With how poor the NL west is he would have a better shot to make the playoffs where he's at.
he already agreed to waive his no trade to go there. and how does that not make them a contender... the only reason they were so bad this year was pitching... add him and it solves the biggest weakness. The bullpen was not THAT bad and with all the pieces back next year they will be better. The offense was not the best but certainly FAR from the worst. the mets cant get out of their own way. that just leaves philly as a real contender. I cant HONESTLY see the Padres sending him to LA... thats just dumb if they do. The only prolem is... I dont know if we have enough to offer themQuote:
Originally Posted by Reade
and that was with Tex and he's gone. Don't forget about Florida they finished ahead of Atlanta and they are actually talking about resigning their arb eligible players. I like Atlanta don't get me wrong but Peavy isn't going to make them 20 games betterQuote:
The offense was not the best
I don't see them dealing him to a division rival either.
they are obviously going to go after a big bat this offseason we all know that. with the addition of Peavy, and another 32 million it has been widly publicized I dont see how it woud not be EASY to get a decent bat AND another decent starterQuote:
Originally Posted by Reade
Not CC obviously but why not sheets or maybe even a Derek Lowe??? I thik Lowe might end up getting a 3-4 year deal tho around 60 million. thats my only fear. he certainly was far from bad with LA. If we cold do like 3 year 40-50 million id do it. THEN we might even be the team to beat with 3 Good starters. Throw in a decent bat and we are all set :p
It's going to take a lot more than that to get Peavy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
A LOT more.
It'd take one of Jason Heyward or Jordan Schafer, if not both, plus probably 2 relatively young major league ready players along the lines of Kelly Johnson, Yunel Escobar, or Jair Jurrjens.
From my understanding, I thought Atlanta was planning to rebuild basically, not building for contention immediately but over the next four years. I know Chipper etc are getting older, but I assumed the team was building for the years ahead. So why get rid of so many potentially great players to get one solid ace if you don't care to win next year, but rather to win in years to come.
I ment to throw in either johnson or prado sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I have heard none of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
With Peavy already under contract (unlike Santana, who would have been a free agent after the season), like HoustonGM said, any team that gets him will be giving up A LOT more than what the Mets traded to the Twins. If this was a Baseball Mogul trade, you're not going to trade a bunch of mid-70's players to get him.
Haha, enough mid-70s level players can land you anyone you want :pQuote:
Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP
The Braves better start cloning the majority of their team then!
ouch lolQuote:
Originally Posted by binglebop
Just FOR YOU :pQuote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
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The Braves have an offense that can compete, though it's a bit fragile and a little shallow in the outfield. The rotation will continue to be a problem, with the careers of Glavine and Smoltz both very much in the air and Hudson out for most of 2009 from his Tommy John surgery. Jair Jurrjens really came through for the team this year but the top of the rotation will remain quite thin. Either Parr or Hanson could surprise and be contributors, but I don't know if it'll be 2009 and I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be enough to replace what the Braves didn't get from Smoltz and Hudson in 2008.
thanks frenchie :p we add peavy and add a middle for the road starter I dont see why we cant compete
Yes land Peavy first (lol & you will lose some of that "fragile" offense too ;))Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
Honestly,for a team like the Braves,you need to keep the Heywards/Hansons/Johnsons RATHER than dealing them to a NL rival,IMHO.
You'd be better off signing Derek Lowe & Ben Sheets ;)
I am BEGGING for them to sign Lowe. I think he has ALWAYS been underrated. Sheets injuries make me nervous but if you give him incentives based on ip and starts and such we may be fine. I think hansen needs another year. If we get smoltx back I would be happy with just signing lowe. If we can get smoltz back as the closer :D:D:D:D:D I say sigh Lowe and maybe a guy like Oliver perez. I wish we could coax Maddux to come back for 1 year. I would LOVE to see thatQuote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
francouer, reyes, johnson/prado (I say send johnson keep prado because johnson may have more value) and a mid level guy.
I do NOT want hanson going anywhere nor schaefer
No way would San Diego do that. Francoeur's a mess, and his value is at an all-time low. Reyes isn't that good of a prospect. Padres GM Kevin Towers said today that they're looking for pitching, mostly, and would like a mix of major-league ready and near-ready guys....which sounds like they'd require both Jurrjens and Hanson, plus more.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
The rumor mill (I think it was Ben Maller) was - Hanson,Jurrjens,Johnson + eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Heyward - Schafer or Freeman & the Atlanta Journal suggested this,which looks to "low" in "light" of Haren deal & his reasonable price.
If I was Towers I would WAIT till CC is off the market & then use CC's price to drive the market up....
than keep peavy :p I am not totaly morgaging the future like the Mets did... I do NOT want them to give up every blue chip they have. Ill give reyes, and james, and blaine boyer in the deal but you are not gettng a 6-10 for 1 deal from me if im the braves. Its just more than the team can handle. its not like we have a barron farm but I dont want to push it in the direction. Jair to me... is off limits. He is the face of the future of our staff. Then again james was 2 years ago the face as well with his 10-1 but we all see what happened thereQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
hate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by frenchredsox
I know we cant give crap lik the mets did or like we did for hudson but i canbt give up EVERYTHING. let him go somewhere else. I hate to say it... but let him go elsewhere as bad as id LOVE to see him a brave
I think that the Rays could have a decent reason to deal for him - they could offer Jackson,Sonnastine,Perez or Brignac + one of Davis/Hellickson or McGeeQuote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
As the Friars need a CF & 2B plus pitching it would work out pretty nice for them & Peavy's price is so reasonable.I WOULD HATE that deal as suddenly the Rays would have the best 1-3 in the league & a nasty 4/5 in Garza & Price....
You know... I never really think about them. That is a trade that would REALLY help both teams. Its a fair deal too. Suddenly makes the Padre's a contrender too... and just makes Tampa look like DEFINATLY the team to beat next year in the east too lol. Plus Tampa would not lose any picks because he is a F/A. The question is would he go there. I think it would be a good idea, if he would waive his no trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
I did the trade possibilities team by team & ONLY Tampa worked for both teams & Peavy (ie he is minimum Playoff).Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
To be honest the ONLY teams who the Padrs could realistically land a deal is the 4 AL East teams:
Boston - they could get Ellsbury/Bowden/Bucholz + 1
NY Yankees : Hughes/Kennedy/Gardner or Jackson +1
Toronto (if AJ opts out) : Cecil/Snider/Janssen + 1
Tampa - already noted
Otherwise there is a "mis-fit" either for the trader/tradee or Peavy....
Peavy has stated that he doesn't want to go to an AL team, and he has the no-trade clause, so, it's up to him, really.
astros, brewers and cardinals are all in consideration as well
The Astros have a snowball's chance in hell. They have no farm system.
Yes Peavy has full no trade & YES he has a "preference for the NL" but he also wants (IMO) to win a WS &/or be on a perennial Playoff team & the 4 AL East teams fill that Criteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Just a hypo example of what I am concluding - would he sign for the Giants or the Red Sox ? See what I mean ....
I say St. Louis should offer Rasmus, Wallace or Freese, Mather, Adam Kennedy and a top pitching prospect for Greene and Peavy
Cards need both a shortstop and another steady arm.
Peavy said St. Louis was a possibility (apparently)
San Diego wants to part with Greene
There is no room for Rasmus really
This provides plenty of depth and a good fit for San Diego, and they don't have much of a future at third right now or in center, Wallace and Rasmus both offer that.
I think that would barely be enough to acquire Peavy alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25
The Padres are also looking for pitching as their main priority in any trade for Peavy.
I would be willing to part w Brad Thompson, Adam Ottavino and Jason Motte to complete it
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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
First off WALLACE cannot be traded as he is a 2008 draftee (1 year no trade rule) .Rasmus is St Louis' CF of the future (even maybe by 2009 with Ankiel moving to LF) & well the rest are C+ prospects at best & NO WAY will the Friars take KENNEDY who is 2/3 years past his "sell by date".
In essence that deal just is too too LOW compared to other systems.;)
You need to look at WHAT the Friars need FOR A TRADE to work & that is :
1° Cheap MLB ready SPs eg Bucholz/Price/Hughes level
2° SS/2B with UPSIDE eg Brignac/Lowrie/
3° OF with UPSIDE - CF if possible - Rasmus/Heyward/Ellsbury/Snider
Cardinals ONLY have 1 of those "need" fillers in Rasmus BUT they have no upside SPs unless they would be willing to deal Wainwright + Garcia/Mortensen & Perez .Even then they would be offering less than the Rays deal outlined above .
Yeah, and San Diego would want players to expedite their rebuilding process. Unless a package blows Kevin Towers away, they don't HAVE to trade Peavy. He's under contract for the next FOUR YEARS (five if they pick up the 2013 option) at an average annual salary of $15.75 million. That alone drives the asking price way, way, WAY up, especially since he's already signed for less money than C.C. Sabathia is going to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I doubt Peavy would agree to go to Tampa
LOL they're C prospects at BEST ! :D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeffy25