2008 Sports Mogul MLB Awards - Ballot Discussion

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Originally Posted by DarthJaker

Holy Cow Vlad and Alexi Ramereiz cant speak english

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:confused:

nvm:o

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Mike Mussina...

Carlos Quentin and Milton Bradley, but I don't really consider them comebacks.

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Bradley I wouldn't consider a comeback player, but Quentin I would.

That was really random. AND Ichiro can't speak English EITHER. SO there. Actually, in one interview, they mistranslated him, and the translator claimed Ichiro wanted to kill America and pee on the flag or something like that

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Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG

Bradley I wouldn't consider a comeback player, but Quentin I would.

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I'd actually consider Bradley more of one that Quentin.

The "official" definition for the MLB award is a player that has "re-emerged." Quentin has just emerged. I put Ryan Ludwick in the same category as him.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

I'd actually consider Bradley more of one that Quentin.

The "official" definition for the MLB award is a player that has "re-emerged." Quentin has just emerged. I put Ryan Ludwick in the same category as him.

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Josh Hamilton belongs in that category as well.

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Originally Posted by justanewguy

Josh Hamilton belongs in that category as well.

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Yep.

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Originally Posted by justanewguy

Josh Hamilton belongs in that category as well.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

The "official" definition for the MLB award is a player that has "re-emerged." Quentin has just emerged. I put Ryan Ludwick in the same category as him.

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I don't recall Hamilton emerging anytime prior. Yes, I know, the drugs thing, but I'm curious how Hamilton fits the definition of re-emerging as opposed to simply emerging?

how late do you want the ballots, HGM?

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Originally Posted by etothep

I don't recall Hamilton emerging anytime prior. Yes, I know, the drugs thing, but I'm curious how Hamilton fits the definition of re-emerging as opposed to simply emerging?

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No, I agree. I meant he belongs in the "emerging" category along with Ryan Ludwick, etc.

The drugs thing is a personal comeback story, not a comeback player of the year qualifier.

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Originally Posted by justanewguy

No, I agree. I meant he belongs in the "emerging" category along with Ryan Ludwick, etc.

The drugs thing is a personal comeback story, not a comeback player of the year qualifier.

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got ya

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Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG

I honestly have no idea why you guys are even bothering to argue with PP, its blatantly obvious that his bias is clouding any semblance of sound judgment.

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Um, yeah.... Boston, huh?

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Originally Posted by haveacigar

how late do you want the ballots, HGM?

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The sticky thread says voting is open through October 7th, so everybody still has time. He doesn't want you to hurry through your ballots, so take some time and think about your votes.

I'm surprised ludwick doesn't make many people's top 10 in nl mvp voting, he had a stellar year, batted 299, 37 homers, top 10 in rbi's. just a lil surprised...and how does glaus not get more recognition at third for gold glove, he had the fewest errors. I know I am a hometown fan, but I feel these two could use a lil recognition

and i am a lil surprised some don't have lidge as nl reliever, didn't blow a save this year

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Originally Posted by phightinphils

Gee, you must be still shocked from the Brady injury. WHERE the FREAK is Ryan Howard on the NL MVP ballot. HE WILL win it. What did Pujols do for his team? NOTHING!

And I think you are little biased about Fuentes there buddy. Lidge was lights out for the Phillies this year. A perfect 41 of 41 in save opportunities and he is the number two? BUZZ! WRONG! TRY AGAIN!

I am so sick of the ANTI-Philadelphia thinking that goes on!

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Albert did nothing for his team? try made them above 500, and then some. How can a guy who strikes out 199 times, and bats more then 100 points lower then albert get it? albert didn't even strike out 60 times...was almost the first player to lead his league in obp and slug in the same year in something like 40 years...i don't remember who the last one was, i used to know

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Originally Posted by phightinphils

Obviously you do not watch every Phillies game. Howard pretty much carried this team offensively for the final two months of the season. It was entire team effort, but Howard's bat is number one.

Okay Pujols has a better average, but his team was awful. And he doesn't scare me at all. He is getting to his washed up point of his career anyway.

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How does a player who continues to improve "getting to his washed up point in his career?"

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

I'm surprised ludwick doesn't make many people's top 10 in nl mvp voting, he had a stellar year, batted 299, 37 homers, top 10 in rbi's. just a lil surprised...and how does glaus not get more recognition at third for gold glove, he had the fewest errors. I know I am a hometown fan, but I feel these two could use a lil recognition

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Had Pujols as #1 on my ballot & Ludwick at 10 for NL MVP. I also had Glaus as my top selection for 3b Gold Glove in the NL & Lidge as the top NL reliever.

Just remember, not everyone takes the time to post their selections in this thread man.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

How does a player who continues to improve "getting to his washed up point in his career?"

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PP has obviously not taken a look at Pujols' stats anytime in the past year. As I've stated on this forum earlier, Pujols' greatness is simply taken for granted by most because he puts up stout numbers year in & year out. It's easy for some to say, well he always puts up those numbers, even though those numbers are perennially better than numbers posted by other players.

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Originally Posted by phightinphils

No, it doesn't, but some positive responses about the Phillies is a rare thing. So I will take it.

I may be biased towards Howard, but he delivers the hits. I watch every game. He may not have given them 10 wins, but he has given them the wins to get to the playoffs.

I think what gets me the most is Ramirez was on that list and Howard wasn't. Ramirez is a punk for quitting on his team. And those numbers he put up since he went to the Dodgers, if he continued that pace for an etnire season with one team, I would have no problem calling him the best player to ever play baseball. But he didn't, and the only reason he is doing this is because he quit on the Red Sox just to get traded.

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Being clutch for one month doesn't make you an MVP. I just feel you are looking too hard in the rbi and hr category. And I don't feel that makes up the best player in the league when he plays an overall game the way Howard does.

The Phillies are a good team, and I am happy for them this year, they deserve it, but Howard isn't the MVP and probably shouldn't even be in the top 3 in voting

Also, after reading some posts I am a lil surprised Ibanez doesn't get more support....didn't he put up a great year for a bad team?

No, you are going to far in the opposite direction Jeff. He was good, but not great. And being just "good" on a bad or good team does not justify an award

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

No, you are going to far in the opposite direction Jeff. He was good, but not great. And being just "good" on a bad or good team does not justify an award

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It's the most valuable player in the league award. And Albert was that, doesn't matter his team, which he made as good as they ended up

I would like to participate in the voting. What do I need to do? I am looking through this thread but I can't seem to find what I need to submit and to who

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

I would like to participate in the voting. What do I need to do? I am looking through this thread but I can't seem to find what I need to submit and to who

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I believe he was talking about your Ibanez for MVP non-sense

Ibanez should garner some talk for Silver Slugger, but not for MVP

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

I would like to participate in the voting. What do I need to do? I am looking through this thread but I can't seem to find what I need to submit and to who

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There is a thread stickied with a name just like this, and it gives the rules. HoustonGM is the balloter

My votes might seem a lil skewed to you, but I don’t look at the teams as much as I look at the players individual success and my criteria is very different then many others. So I am prepared to defend my answers.

NL MVP

1. Albert Pujols
2. Hanley Ramierz
3. David Wright
4. Ryan Howard
5. Chipper Jones
6. Chase Utley
7. Matt Holiday
8. Lance Berkman
9. Ryan Braun
10. Ryan Ludwick

AL MVP

1. Josh Hamilton
2. Miguel Cabrera
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Dustin Pedroia
5. Joe Mauer
6. Aubrey Huff
7. Carlos Quentin
8. Jermaine Dye
9. Grady Sizemore
10. Vlad Gurrero

NL CY Young

1. Linceum
2. Webb
3. Santana

AL CY Young

1. Lee
2. Halladay
3. Mussina

NL Reliever

1. Lidge
2. Fuentes
3. Valverde

AL Reliever

1. K Rod
2. Soria
3. Nathan

Not bad, except K-Rod is not the best reliever, and your AL MVP is a bit messed up. Mauer and Pedrioa should be higher, and Morneau should be up with them. And Youkilis should be on the list

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

Not bad, except K-Rod is not the best reliever, and your AL MVP is a bit messed up. Mauer and Pedrioa should be higher, and Morneau should be up with them. And Youkilis should be on the list

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I can certainly agree with you. I just dont feel Morneau quite did it, but you are right, he probably should be on there somewhere, he played a great year even if his homeruns were down. Perodia and Mauer I question bc neither hit 20, hell Mauer didn't even hit 10. I really love the way both players play, but I question their MVP status. I wish they were on my team though!

K-Rod, just because he really did help the Angels and I feel his record year should be given some credit, even if he was helped a lot along the way.

Who would you put as AL Reliever? just curious that's all

Remember to email or send a private message to HoustonGM with your votes or they won't be counted.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

I can certainly agree with you. I just dont feel Morneau quite did it, but you are right, he probably should be on there somewhere, he played a great year even if his homeruns were down. Perodia and Mauer I question bc neither hit 20, hell Mauer didn't even hit 10. I really love the way both players play, but I question their MVP status. I wish they were on my team though!

K-Rod, just because he really did help the Angels and I feel his record year should be given some credit, even if he was helped a lot along the way.

Who would you put as AL Reliever? just curious that's all

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My AL reliever was Joe Nathan I believe. And just because Pedrioa and Mauer did not hit 20 does not mean they did not contribute. They play positions that normally are lesser offensivley, and did really good.

I agree with you, but I am not sure they are above 4 and 5 in my opinion. if Mauer batted .372 again I'd say he is putting himself in a different league, but his average this year wasn't anything to get too excited about in my opinion

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Originally Posted by etothep

I don't recall Hamilton emerging anytime prior. Yes, I know, the drugs thing, but I'm curious how Hamilton fits the definition of re-emerging as opposed to simply emerging?

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He fits the "emerging" definition, like with Ryan Ludwick and and Carlos Quentin.

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Originally Posted by haveacigar

how late do you want the ballots, HGM?

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The last day that I'm accepting ballots is Monday, October 6th, and I'll accept them all day that day up until midnight.

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Originally Posted by Jeffy25

I would like to participate in the voting. What do I need to do? I am looking through this thread but I can't seem to find what I need to submit and to who

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Read the thread stickied at the top of this forum (Sports Talk). It has all the instructions. Make sure to submit your ballot to me via PM or email for it to be officially counted.

Most Valuable Player (10)

AL MVP:
1. Josh Hamilton
2. Dustin Pedroia
3. Justin Morneau
4. Alex Rodriguez
5. Cliff Lee
6. Milton Bradley
7. Francisco Rodriguez
8. Kevin Youkilis
9. Joe Mauer
10. Evan Longoria

NL MVP:
1. Albert Pujols
2. Lance Berkman
3. Carlos Delgado
4. Ryan Howard
5. David Wright
6. Ryan Braun
7. CC Sabathia
8. Hanley Ramirez
9. Chase Utley
10. Manny Ramirez
Cy Young (3)

AL Cy Young
1. Cliff Lee
2. Mike Mussina
3. Roy Halladay

NL Cy Young
1. Brandon Webb
2. Tim Lincecum
3. Johan Santana

Rookie of the Year (3) (The rookie thresholds are 130 at bats, 50 innings pitched, or 45 days on the active roster of a major league club, excluding time on the disabled list. A player who, at the beginning of the season, is over any of those thresholds is not eligible for the award.)

AL Rookie of the Year
1. Evan Longoria
2. Jacoby Ellsbury
3. Armando Gallaraga

NL Rookie of the Year
1. Geovany Soto
2. Joey Votto
3. Hiroki Kuroda

Relief Pitcher of the Year (3)

AL Rolaids Relief Award:
1. Francisco Rodriguez
2. Mariano Rivera
3. Joe Nathan

NL Rolaids Relief Award:
1. Brad Lidge
2. Kerry Wood
3. Brian Fuentes
Gold Glove (3 P, 3 C, 3 1B, 3 2B, 3 3B, 3 SS, 9 OF)
Not Voting
Silver Slugger (3 P in NL, 3 DH in AL, 3 C, 3 1B, 3 2B, 3 3B, 3 SS, 9 OF)
NL Silver Slugger
P: C. Zambrano, M. Owings,J. Marquis
C: B. McCann, G. Soto, R. Doumit
1B: A. Pujols, R. Howard, C. Delgado
2B: C. Utley, M. DeRosa, D. Uggla
SS: H. Ramirez, S. Drew, J. Reyes
3B: D. Wright, C. Jones, J. Cantu
OF: R. Braun, R. Ludwick, C. Beltran, C. Lee, N. McLouth, R. Ankiel, A. Dunn, M. Holliday, B. Hawpe

AL Silver Sluggers:
DH M. Bradley, A. Huff, J. Thome
C J. Mauer, M. Napoli, A. Pierzynski
1B M. Cabrera, K. Youkilis, J. Giambi
2B D. Pedroia, A. Ramirez, I. Kinsler
SS D. Jeter, J. Peralta, M. Young
3B A. Rodriguez, E. Longoria, M. Mora
OF J. Hamilton, C. Quentin, J. Dye, G. Sizemore, V. Guererro, R. Ibanez, M. Ordonez, N. Markakis, V. Wells
Comeback Player of the Year (3)
AL Comeback:
1 Cliff Lee
2 Aubrey Huff
3 Milton Bradley

NL Comeback:
1 Fernando Tatis
2 Jorge Cantu
3 Kerry Wood

Manager of the Year (3)
AL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Maddon
2. Ron Gardenhire
3. Mike Scoscia

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Torre
2. Ned Yost
3. Jerry Manuel (for getting the Mets so close to the playoffs)


General Manager of the Year (3)
NOT VOTING

Why Torre for 2nd? They barely topped .500. And Ned Yost got fired, and was a poor manager. And I would rank Mussina after Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, Matsuzaka, and Lester AT LEAST

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

Why Torre for 2nd? They barely topped .500. And Ned Yost got fired, and was a poor manager. And I would rank Mussina after Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, Matsuzaka, and Lester AT LEAST

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I've got a better question: Why are you just sitting around waiting for people to post their ballots so you can criticize them?

Critisizm is fun, and I am not waiting, I noticed you had posted, so I responded

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

Why Torre for 2nd? They barely topped .500. And Ned Yost got fired, and was a poor manager. And I would rank Mussina after Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, Matsuzaka, and Lester AT LEAST

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I'm having a tough time with my #3 for AL Cy Young. There's so damn many starters who are just so close together, it might just end up being a closer.

Yea, Nathan, Soria, Rivera, and Papelbon deserve mention

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

Yea, Nathan, Soria, Rivera, and Papelbon deserve mention

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and Francisco Rodriguez... WTH is with you and this guy? He's had a great season, like it or not...

He was GOOOD, not GREAT. SAVES are NOT ALL