No, he had a very good to great season, saves or no saves. You are being ignorant if you deny that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
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No, he had a very good to great season, saves or no saves. You are being ignorant if you deny that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
His season was great, but overvalued because of his saves. In Expected Wins Above Replacement (WXRL), K-Rod was second in the AL to Mariano Rivera. That stat accounts for leverage of the situation. Brad Lidge was first in the majors.
But RSR is saying he's like 5th (or worse) in the AL... which is just, not true, by any standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
If you don't account for leverage, and look purely at performance stats like ERA/ERA+, K/9, BB/9, and WHIP, there were 4 or 5 better closers in the AL - Rivera, Nathan, Papelbon, Soria. Also guys like Brad Ziegler.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Here's the top 10 AL relievers by WXRL:
Code:Mariano Rivera 6.251
Francisco Rodriguez 5.660
Joakim Soria 5.453
Joe Nathan 5.000
J.P. Howell 4.637
Brad Ziegler 4.478
Bobby Jenks 4.242
Scott Downs 3.797
Ron Mahay 3.604
Grant Balfour 3.423
Told you so!
If you account for leverage, he was second in the league to just Mariano Rivera.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Why is HGM like the emperor of stats? If he says it is so, then it is so? No...Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Francisco Rodriguez had a legendary season this year and you are a fool to deny it...
People will say it is legendary, but he walked to many, his k/9 were down, he was more hittable, and was below his usual self.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Note that I didn't say it was so. I said Francisco Rodriguez had a great season, because he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Now legendary might be a bit of an exaggeration.Quote:
Francisco Rodriguez had a legendary season this year and you are a fool to deny it...
HGM I have to send you my votes in 2 PMs because they it is too long.
Here are my votes:
AL MVP:
1). Joe Mauer
2). Alex Rodriguez
3). Carlos Quentin
4). Josh Hamilton
5). Milton Bradley
6). Kevin Youkilis
7). Justin Morneau
8). Carlos Peņa
9). Dustin Pedroia
10). Nick Markakis
NL MVP:
1). Albert Pujols
2). Chipper Jones
3). Lance Berkman
4). Ryan Howard
5). Matt Holliday
6). Hanley Ramirez
7). David Wright
8). Chase Utley
9). C.C Sabathia
10). Adam Dunn
AL Cy Young:
1). Cliff Lee
2). Roy Halladay
3). Daisuke Matsuzaka
NL CY Young:
1). Tim Lincecum
2). Johan Santana
3). Ryan Dempster
AL Rookie Of The Year:
1). Evan Longoria
2). Jacoby Ellsbury
3). Alexi Ramirez
NL Rookie Of The Year:
1). Joey Votto
2). Geovany Soto
3). Armando Galarraga
AL Relief Pitcher Of The Year:
1). Francisco Rodriguez
2). Joakim Soria
3). Joe Nathan
NL Relief Pitcher Of The Year:
1). Brad Lidge
2). Brian Wilson
3). Brian Fuentes
AL Gold Gloves:
P:
1). Kenny Rogers
2). Roy Halladay
3). Mark Buehrle
C:
1). Kurt Suzuki
2). Joe Mauer
3). Dioner Navarro
1B:
1). Carlos Peņa
2). Kevin Youkilis
3). Ryan Garko
2B:
1). Dustin Pedroia
2). Mark Ellis
3). Placido Polanco
3B:
1). Mike Lowell
2). Alex Rodriguez
3). Jack Hannahan
SS:
1). Michael Young
2). Derek Jeter
3). Jhonny Peralta
OF:
1). Torii Hunter
2). Jermaine Dye
3). Grady Sizemore
4). Bobby Abreu
5). Adam Jones
6). Coco Crisp
7). Nick Markakis
8). Curtis Granderson
9). Melky Cabrera
NL Gold Gloves:
P:
1). Brandon Webb
2). Aaron Cook
3). Greg Maddux
C:
1). Chris Snyder
2). Chris Iannetta
3). Bengie Molina
1B:
1). Lance Berkman
2). Albert Pujols
3). Adrian Gonzalez
2B:
1). Brandon Phillips
2). Freddy Sanchez
3). Jeff Kent
3B:
1). Troy Glaus
2). Kevin Kouzmanoff
3). Pedro Feliz
SS:
1). Jimmy Rollins
2). Miguel Tejada
3). Cesar Izturis
OF:
1). Andre Either
2). Ryan Braun
3). Carlos Lee
4). Nate McClouth
5). Mike Cameron
6). Hunter Pence
7). Pat Burrell
8). Shane Victorino
9). Ryan Ludwick
AL Silver Sluggers:
DH:
1). Milton Bradley
2). Aubrey Huff
3). Jim Thome
C:
1). Joe Mauer
2). Kurt Suzuki
3). A.J. Pierzynski
1B:
1). Kevin Youkilis
2). Carlos Peņa
3). Justin Morneau
2B:
1). Dustin Pedroia
2). Brian Roberts
3). Ian Kinsler
3B:
1). Alex Rodriguez
2). Chone Figgins
3). Evan Longoria
SS:
1). Derek Jeter
2). Michael Young
3). Marco Scutaro
OF:
1). Nick Markakis
2). Carlos Quentin
3). Josh Hamilton
4). Vladimir Guerrero
5). Jermaine Dye
6). Grady Sizemore
7). Magglio Ordoņez
8). Curtis Granderson
9). Bobby Abreu
NL Silver Sluggers:
P:
1). Carlos Zambrano
2). C.C. Sabathia
3). Adam Wainwright
C:
1). Brian McCann
2). Geovany Soto
3). Russell Martin
1B:
1). Albert Pujols
2). Lance Berkman
3). Ryan Howard
2B:
1). Chase Utley
2). Mark DeRosa
3). Dan Uggla
3B:
1). Chipper Jones
2). David Wright
3). Aramis Ramirez
SS:
1). Hanley Ramirez
2). Stephen Drew
3). Jose Reyes
OF:
1). Ryan Ludwick
2). Matt Holliday
3). Ryan Braun
4). Adam Dunn
5). Andre Either
6). Brad Hawpe
7). Alfonso Soriano
8). Carlos Beltran
9). Pat Burrell
AL Comeback Player Of The Year:
1). Cliff Lee
2). Milton Bradley
3). Aubrey Huff
NL Comeback Player Of The Year:
1). Kerry Wood
2). Brad Lidge
3). Ryan Ludwick
AL Manager Of The Year:
1). Joe Madden
2). Ozzie Guillen
3). Ron Gardenhire
NL Manager Of The Year:
1). Ned Yost
2). Tony LaRussa
3). Cecil Cooper
No Votes for GM of the Year
**This took me over an hour to do LOL**
Rockiesfan, what were Wood and Lidge coming back from? They were good last year. And Ludwick has nothing to come back from. And why A-Rod 2nd in MVP?
Lidge, no idea, but he did win the real life Comeback Player of the Year award.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Wood played in 22 games last year. 2008 was his first full season since 2003.
Lidge won the comeback this year?
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
They just announced it today. Cliff Lee and Brad Lidge. See this thread.