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Mike & Mike trivia....
Mike & Mike had a trivia question yesterday which I missed the answer to and its been burning me.
I haven't looked it up, only throwing some guesses out there. The question was;
If Vlad Querrero finishes with over a .300 avg. this year (he's like at .307) he'll be only the 2nd player ever to have 11 consecutive years with .300+ avg and 25+ HR's. Who is the other to accomplish this?
So.....does anyone know the answer?
My guesses were;
Eddie Murray
Robin Yount
Mike Schmidt
I'm pretty sure its probably none of them and goes back further to someone like an Al Kaline or Stan Musial.
I really want to know the answer though.
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Damn I found the answer and it was someone I thought it may be but said nah, can't be.:mad::mad:
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not schmidt i think his ba was low... id say Murry.. I think he had a high ba
I dont know enought about yount to know
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Originally Posted by
TheNamelessPoet
not schmidt i think his ba was low... id say Murry.. I think he had a high ba
I dont know enought about yount to know
well i'll tell you its none of those I mentioned lol. Yount wasn't even close. The guy who it is, IMO after looking at his numbers may be the most underappreciated underrated player of alltime. His numbers were simply amazing!
Cmon, lets hear some guesses!
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justanewguy
Lou Gehrig.
over rated player :p
j/k
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Yeah its Gehrig, I was quite shocked at how good his numbers were. I ruled him out of my guessing process because I didn't think he had 11 high quality consecutive years due to his illness but he just met it. This guy was easily one of the 3-5 best offensive players of alltime, numbers are pretty staggering.
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Originally Posted by
dickay
Yeah its Gehrig, I was quite shocked at how good his numbers were. I ruled him out of my guessing process because I didn't think he had 11 high quality consecutive years due to his illness but he just met it. This guy was easily one of the 3-5 best offensive players of alltime, numbers are pretty staggering.
Yep. Gehrig's illness didn't come into play until the end of his career. He's easily the best first basemen of all time, and one of the top offensive forces ever.
And Carlos Delgado is better according to metsguy234! :p
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Originally Posted by
dickay
Yeah its Gehrig, I was quite shocked at how good his numbers were. I ruled him out of my guessing process because I didn't think he had 11 high quality consecutive years due to his illness but he just met it. This guy was easily one of the 3-5 best offensive players of alltime, numbers are pretty staggering.
Top 3 to 5 sounds about right. I'd put him in my own top 3. I'd probably go:
1. Ruth
2a. Williams
2b. Gehrig
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I would have LOVED to see williams #'s if he hadnt gone to war TWICE. he was a MONSTER.. the greatest PURE hitter... EVER
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Originally Posted by
justanewguy
Top 3 to 5 sounds about right. I'd put him in my own top 3. I'd probably go:
1. Ruth
2a. Williams
2b. Gehrig
I'd agree here...although one can argue Williams #1 and Ruth #2. You never hear Gehrigs name though, I didn't realize he was this good for this long.
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I would put Williams, Aaron, Cobb, and maybe Mays over Ruth
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RedsoxRockies
I would put Williams, Aaron, Cobb, and maybe Mays over Ruth
You're the same guy that said Pedroia and Tululowiczsky (excuse the spelling) were more likely HOF'ers than Jeter and even AROD.
You don't get a say any longer :D:p:D
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dickay
You're the same guy that said Pedroia and Tululowiczsky (excuse the spelling) were more likely HOF'ers than Jeter and even AROD.
You don't get a say any longer :D:p:D
That was a year ago LOL. I have changed my perspective and have become less irrational. Jeter and A-Rod are 1st Balloters easily, and Pedrioa and Tulo have a long ways to go
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Originally Posted by
RedsoxRockies
I would put Williams, Aaron, Cobb, and maybe Mays over Ruth
Perhaps you need to look at Babe Ruth's stats again.
My 1-2-3 hitters are Ruth, Williams, and Bonds, with Gehrig a close 4th.
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HoustonGM
Perhaps you need to look at Babe Ruth's stats again.
My 1-2-3 hitters are Ruth, Williams, and Bonds, with Gehrig a close 4th.
I know Ruth was a hitting machine, but Cobb could do everything A+, And williams may be considered the best ever if not for Korea and WWII. And Bonds was Ruth + Speed and amazing defense early on. Mays, He has a case over Ruth, but eh, Maybe he should be lower
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RedsoxRockies
I know Ruth was a hitting machine, but Cobb could do everything A+, And williams may be considered the best ever if not for Korea and WWII. And Bonds was Ruth + Speed and amazing defense early on. Mays, He has a case over Ruth, but eh, Maybe he should be lower
Are you talking about pure offense or overall game?
Even considering overall game, I'd put Ruth #1, and then it's a mix of people fighting for the #2 spot with Bonds, Mays, Cobb, Williams, Gehrig, etc.
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gotta go with williams 1st then probalbly Ruth.
why do you say Ruth above Williams. Overall game It MIGHT be Ruth because he was a dominant pitcher as well
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Willaims
Code:
19 Seasons 7706 2654 71 1839 17 709 .344 .482 .634 191 5 20 86 39 197
2292 1798 525 521 24 2021 4884
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
162 Game Avg 545 127 188 37 5 37 130 2 1 143 50 .344 .482 .634 191 345 0 1 6 3 14
Career High 156 566 150 194 44 14 43 159 4 4 162 64 .406 .553 .735 235 368 3 5 33 5 22
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
Ruth
Code:
22 Seasons 8398 2873 136 2217 117 1330 .342 .474 .690 207 113 0 0 43 2
2503 2174 506 714 123 2062 5793
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
162 Game Avg 544 141 186 33 9 46 143 8 8 133 86 .342 .474 .690 207 375 7 0 0 3 0
Career High 154 540 177 205 45 16 60 171 17 21 170 93 .393 .545 .849 256 457 21 0 0 6 2
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Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
Cobb
Code:
24 Seasons 11434 4189 295 1937 178 357 .366 .433 .512 167 295 0 0 94 0
3035 2246 724 117 892 1249 5854
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162 Game Avg 610 120 224 39 16 6 103 48 10 67 19 .366 .433 .512 167 312 16 0 0 5 0
Career High 156 625 147 248 47 24 12 127 96 38 118 43 .420 .486 .621 209 367 27 0 0 10 0
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Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
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Williams is as close to Ruth as anyone can be, but Ruth was a better hitter on account of the extra power. His peak was better overall as well.
Nobody else is really close to those two except Gehrig and Bonds. 10 years from now we'll probably be mentioning Pujols too. He'll be the only righty in the group.
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It actually staggering how similar Ruth and Williams numbers are for the 162 game avg. , But Ruth was a power hitter before they even existed, in 1920 and 21 he hit 54 and 59 HR no other player hit more than 24 in either year.
I think Ruth, they way he changed the game, gets the nod over Williams - who does get punished a bit for missing seasons in his prime.
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I for some reason always like to use R + RBI - (HR*2)
Williams 127 + 130 - (37*2) = 183
Ruth 141 + 143 - (46*2) = 192
Ruth is better :p
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RedsoxRockies
That was a year ago LOL. I have changed my perspective and have become less irrational. Jeter and A-Rod are 1st Balloters easily, and Pedrioa and Tulo have a long ways to go
I know you have....call me what you will, but I just can't let it go lol. :D
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gRYFYN1
It actually staggering how similar Ruth and Williams numbers are for the 162 game avg. , But Ruth was a power hitter before they even existed, in 1920 and 21 he hit 54 and 59 HR no other player hit more than 24 in either year.
thats why I pick Ruth
Then again Ruth missed a few years pitching
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I think Ruth, they way he changed the game, gets the nod over Williams - who does get punished a bit for missing seasons in his prime.
to me thats a reason to pick williams
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:p and just to be funny Ruth was a better Pitcher
Williams
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Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
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1940 21 BOS AL 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 2.0 3 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 9 0 4.50 4.51 100 1.500 MVP-14,AS
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1 Yr WL undef 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 2.0 3 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 9 0 4.50 4.51 100 1.500
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
162 Game Avg 0 0 68 0 0 0 68 0 136.0 204 68 68 0 0 68 0 0 612 0 0 4.50 4.51 100 1.500
Ruth
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Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
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1914 19 BOS AL 2 1 4 3 1 0 0 0 23.0 21 12 10 1 7 3 0 0 100 0 3.91 2.68 68 1.217
1915 20 BOS AL 18 8 32 28 16 1 3 0 217.7 166 80 59 3 85 112 6 9 895 1 2.44 2.78 114 1.153
1916 21 BOS AL 23 12 44 41 23 9 3 1 323.7 230 83 63 0 118 170 8 3 1300 1 1.75 2.77 158 1.075
1917 22 BOS AL 24 13 41 38 35 6 2 2 326.3 244 91 73 2 108 128 11 5 1313 0 2.01 2.58 128 1.079
1918 23 BOS AL 13 7 20 19 18 1 0 0 166.3 125 51 41 1 49 40 2 3 660 1 2.22 2.69 121 1.046
1919 24 BOS AL 9 5 17 15 12 0 2 1 133.3 148 59 44 2 58 30 2 5 591 1 2.97 3.02 102 1.545
1920 25 NYY AL 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 4.0 3 4 2 0 2 0 0 0 17 0 4.50 3.82 85 1.250
1921 26 NYY AL 2 0 2 1 0 0 1 0 9.0 14 10 9 1 9 2 0 0 49 0 9.00 4.24 47 2.556
1930 35 NYY AL 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 9.0 11 3 3 0 2 3 0 0 39 0 3.00 4.32 144 1.444
1933 38 NYY AL 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 9.0 12 5 5 0 3 0 0 0 42 0 5.00 3.90 78 1.667 AS
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10 Yr WL% .671 94 46 163 148 107 17 11 4 1221.3 974 398 309 10 441 488 29 25 5006 4 2.28 2.77 122 1.159
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162 Game Avg 20 10 35 32 23 3 2 0 267.0 212 87 67 2 96 106 6 5 1094 0 0 2.28 2.77 122 1.159
Career High 24 13 44 41 35 9 3 2 326.3 244 91 73 3 118 170 11 9 1313 0 1 1.75 3.02 158 1.046
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Ruth gets the nod because he was simply further ahead of his league than Williams was. Williams also played in slightly more favorable conditions. That, plus the extra power of Ruth, puts Ruth ahead.
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dickay
You're the same guy that said Pedroia and Tululowiczsky (excuse the spelling) were more likely HOF'ers than Jeter and even AROD.
You don't get a say any longer :D:p:D
Tulowitzki* :p
Also my top five hitters would be:
1. Williams
2. Ruth
3. Gehrig
4. Bonds
5. Mays
RSR, you can't argue against a man who held records for generations,even after the game got heavier in offense and heavier in weight. The man is still third in all-time home runs (and I guess still second if you don't want to include steroids) and the game was almost entirely different when Ruth played.
He's not only one of the best hitters...he's pretty much the first all-power hitter in history.
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OregonDuck1989
Tulowitzki* :p
Also my top five hitters would be:
1. Williams
2. Ruth
3. Gehrig
4. Mays
5. Cobb
How does Bonds not fit into the top 4 at least? Mays and Cobb have arguments for being better all-around players, but talking purely offensively, Bonds beats out everybody except arguably Williams, Ruth, and Gehrig.
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HoustonGM
How does Bonds not fit into the top 4 at least? Mays and Cobb have arguments for being better all-around players, but talking purely offensively, Bonds beats out everybody except arguably Williams, Ruth, and Gehrig.
Edited. I forgot about Bonds. lol
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HoustonGM
Are you talking about pure offense or overall game?
Even considering overall game, I'd put Ruth #1, and then it's a mix of people fighting for the #2 spot with Bonds, Mays, Cobb, Williams, Gehrig, etc.
I was talking about overall.
And here is my top 5:
1. Williams
2. Cobb
3. Ruth
4. Gerhig
5. Bonds
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My top 5:
1. Williams
2. Cobb
3. Ruth
4. Mays
5.Rose
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RedsoxRockies
I was talking about overall.
And here is my top 5:
1. Williams
2. Cobb
3. Ruth
4. Gerhig
5. Bonds
Williams, by most accounts, was a poor fielder, and he was a poor baserunner. The top 5 are some combination of Ruth, Bonds, Williams, Gehrig, and Mays, for me.
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metsguy234
My top 5:
1. Williams
2. Cobb
3. Ruth
4. Mays
5.Rose
Pete Rose?
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Rose must owe him some money. That would be my guess. Rose isnt even in the discussion of best hitter, or best player.
Mantle was a better hitter than either Cobb or Mays. Shorter career, of course.
I wish I could say that Teddy Ballgame was the best hitter ever. I am as big a fan of the Red Sox as exists. Most analysts rate the hitters as either 1-Ruth 2-Williams, or 1-Williams 2-Ruth. From what I can see, these two are in a class of their own.
For best hitter, my purely objective opinion is
1-Ruth
2-Williams
3-4....Mantle, Gehrig
5-10...from among Cobb, Foxx, Musial, Aaron, Mays, Dimaggio
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Did you forget about Bonds too? :p
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Bonds has gone from being so well known, to somehow being FORGOTTEN and UNDERRATED. Never thought Bonds would go with those two words
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Swampdog
Rose must owe him some money. That would be my guess. Rose isnt even in the discussion of best hitter, or best player.
Eh, he thinks Mariano Rivera is mediocre, and Alex Rodriguez isn't quite a Hall of Famer yet. His "best" lists are really based on little more than his predisposed "favorites." Notice how he put Ruth behind Cobb, which is inexplicable by any rational evaluation. He's also said that Gehrig is no better than the 10th best first basemen of all-time, and among those better than him, Carlos Delgado.
He lets his favoritism and bias take over completely when discussing and attempting to evaluate players and where they rank.
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Rose and Cobb make little to no sense in a list like this.
I also can't understand how anyone in their right mind can't rank Ruth first as the greatest hitter in baseball history. Ted Williams, because of his pure hitting ability, and for being the only player who can come anywhere close to Ruth in career numbers, sounds a little less stupid ranked first than anyone else would... but he's still a long way off by any truly rational and thorough measurement of offense.
An argument could be made that Bonds was a better hitter than Ruth, but only if you're talking about peak. In the first half of this decade, Bonds was not even in the same universe as the sport of baseball. Overall though, I'd place him behind Ruth, Williams and Gehrig, but I'm pretty sure he'd be ahead of anyone else.
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HoustonGM
Pete Rose?
All time hit king, could hit for contact, average, power, had some speed, great fielder...
