Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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09-23-2008, 06:40 PM
StreetMedic

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by gRYFYN1

But, according to the Sox rule

"The Red Sox policy on retiring uniform numbers is based on the following criteria:
• Election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame
• At least 10 years played with the Red Sox "

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Yeah, it won't happen under the organization's rules.

Yeh, but Pesky's not in the Baseball HoF, right?

Isn't he "just" in the Red Sox HoF?

I wonder if the Sox policy really, in actual practice, draws that strict a distinction...

But, that being said, it is the organization's policy, and, as such, can be subject to change/exception any time they see fit, no?
09-23-2008, 06:40 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

They are THAT stupid, look at that idiot they handed a mike and told to cover baseball games :eek:

They are not stupid enough to say that Pedro Martinez is anything less than a first ballot Hall of Famer.
09-23-2008, 06:55 PM
RedsoxRockies

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

They are not stupid enough to say that Pedro Martinez is anything less than a first ballot Hall of Famer.

They claim Kent is not a HOFer, and obviously he is a lesser player, but I would not put it past them to denounce Pedro
09-23-2008, 07:26 PM
YEAH DAAAAWG

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

They claim Kent is not a HOFer, and obviously he is a lesser player, but I would not put it past them to denounce Pedro

You greatly overestimate the voters stupidity. Sure, they're stupid, but Pedro will definitely get in overwhelmingly on the first ballot.

P.S. - I'm 99% sure that Steve Phillips isn't a HoF voter.
09-23-2008, 07:41 PM
gRYFYN1

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by StreetMedic

Yeh, but Pesky's not in the Baseball HoF, right?

Isn't he "just" in the Red Sox HoF?

I wonder if the Sox policy really, in actual practice, draws that strict a distinction...

But, that being said, it is the organization's policy, and, as such, can be subject to change/exception any time they see fit, no?

Well of course they can change it if they want to it there own rule.

With Pesky they obviously made an exception with how involved he has been with the organization.
09-23-2008, 07:44 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

They claim Kent is not a HOFer, and obviously he is a lesser player, but I would not put it past them to denounce Pedro

The two cases are 100% completely and utterly different.

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Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG

P.S. - I'm 99% sure that Steve Phillips isn't a HoF voter.

He's not.
09-23-2008, 07:46 PM
metsguy234

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Uh? "Could"? He's a lock lol.

LOL!

Pedro Martinez does not deserve induction into the Hall of Fame. He doesn't even have 250 wins, his career has been plagued with injuries, and he has lately been very un-clutch. He should never be inducted into the HOF, it's not the Hall of Very Good Players, it's the Hall of Fame.
09-23-2008, 07:57 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

LOL!

Pedro Martinez does not deserve induction into the Hall of Fame. He doesn't even have 250 wins, his career has been plagued with injuries, and he has lately been very un-clutch. He should never be inducted into the HOF, it's not the Hall of Very Good Players, it's the Hall of Fame.

I used to think that you were just incredibly misguided and have yet to teach yourself about baseball....but now, I think you're just a troll, and you're saying the things you do for no other reason than to get reactions.
09-23-2008, 08:00 PM
RedsoxRockies

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

I used to think that you were just incredibly misguided and have yet to teach yourself about baseball....but now, I think you're just a troll, and you're saying the things you do for no other reason than to get reactions.

I bet Metsguy will go work for ESPN :D. See, this is the reaction I expect from some of the voters
09-23-2008, 08:00 PM
metsguy234

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

I used to think that you were just incredibly misguided and have yet to teach yourself about baseball....but now, I think you're just a troll, and you're saying the things you do for no other reason than to get reactions.

But Pedro Martinez is a Met... I wouldn't say bad things about him if I didn't believe they were true.
09-23-2008, 08:02 PM
RedsoxRockies

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

But Pedro Martinez is a Met... I wouldn't say bad things about him if I didn't believe they were true.

OMG Look at his stats! Wins don't matter half as much as you think they do!!!!
09-23-2008, 08:02 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

But Pedro Martinez is a Met... I wouldn't say bad things about him if I didn't believe they were true.

And you're bitter because he had one good season with New York before succumbing to injuries, so you're too blind to look at what he did with Boston and Montreal. He'd make the Hall of Fame, deservingly, if he retired after 2004.
09-23-2008, 08:32 PM
justanewguy

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Out of the active players at or closing in on retirement, Pedro is right up there at the top in terms of HOF worthiness. Doing my best not to forget anyone, I'd rank it something like this:

1. Barry Bonds
2. Greg Maddux
3. Frank Thomas
4. TIE - Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens
7. Ken Griffey Jr.
8. Mike Piazza
9. Tom Glavine
10. Mariano Rivera
11. Jeff Kent
12. Sammy Sosa
13. Ivan Rodriguez
14. Trevor Hoffman
15. Gary Sheffield

Roughly... point is, Pedro is easily one of the most deserving players of this generation (with some incredible players above and around him). Everyone I listed from 1 to 12 is a lock, and only an idiot would deny them.
09-23-2008, 08:38 PM
HoustonGM

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by justanewguy

Roughly... point is, Pedro is easily one of the most deserving players of this generation (with some incredible players above and around him). Everyone I listed from 1 to 12 is a lock, and only an idiot would deny them.

I'd say a lock, if you're not considering steroid allegations. We really have no idea how voters are gonna deal with Bonds or Sosa...They might give them both the McGwire treatment.

And while I think Jeff Kent is deserving of the HOF, I wouldn't call him a lock.
09-23-2008, 08:43 PM
metsguy234

Re: Red Sox to retire Pesky's number

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Originally Posted by justanewguy

Out of the active players at or closing in on retirement, Pedro is right up there at the top in terms of HOF worthiness. Doing my best not to forget anyone, I'd rank it something like this:

1. Barry Bonds
2. Greg Maddux
3. Frank Thomas
4. TIE - Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez
6. Ken Griffey Jr.
7. Mike Piazza
8. Tom Glavine
9. Mariano Rivera
10. Jeff Kent
11. Sammy Sosa
12. Ivan Rodriguez
13. Trevor Hoffman
14. Gary Sheffield
15. Jim Thome

Roughly... point is, Pedro is easily one of the most deserving players of this generation (with some incredible players above and around him). Everyone I listed from 1 to 12 is a lock, and only an idiot would deny them.

Ken Griffey Jr. below Pedro is just crazy talk, he should be Numero Uno on that list.

Rivera shouldn't be above any of the guys that he's above (except maybe I-Rod)

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