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Who do you think is better?
You can compare them peak Vs peak, career Vs career, which one helped your fantasy team more, whether you like the Padres better than the Mariners, which one you'd prefer to play catch with, I don't care.
feel free to share with us whatever reason you used in your determination
Gwynn, hands down. Enough said. :)
Gwynn....totally a complete package.
Gwynn, easily.
Gwynn by far.
I'll agree that its Gwynn, but I don't think its by the huge margin everyone is saying it is. Maybe that's just because I didn't really start watching baseball till the early 2000's, and therefore didn't really see and don't remember him.
Ichiro's the better fielder and baserunner, but Gwynn had more power and was better in relation to his league than Ichiro was (132 OPS+ for Gwynn, 117 for Ichiro).
Gwynn is also considerably fatter, especially now. I saw a video of hiim on Yahoo a few months ago talking about the NL West, and he was HUGE
With his background Ichiro probably like sushi, which i like a whole lot, but Gwynn looks like the kinda guy you can stand around a grill making Brugers and Brats ...
.. So i go with Gwynn ..
Gwynn, not even close
BoomBoom, admit you voted for Ichiro ;)
You also have to look at Ichiros full body of work...
MLB: Gwynn (and it isn't close)
Total Body of work (Japan + US) Ichiro by a hair.
Gwynn is a once a generation type of player, and so is Ichiro. He didn't start playing in the MLB till he was 27, yet started in Japan in 1994. He set the hit record and won the MVP there, and was part of the best of 9 each season he played....Ichiro also has a few gold gloves and has the ability to turn a single into a double (base stealing).
What matters the most thou, I would love to have both on my team during their peak years.
I actually haven't voted yet. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
:eek: What kind of Mariner's fan are you? It must have been Coach Owens or AsianInvasionQuote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
After long thou, I have to vote for Gwynn.
Who was the poor lonely fellow who voted Ichiro?
My guess is Coach Owens or AsianInvasion. Rick, your a missionary, convert that poor fellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickD
I have a confession to make. It was me. I'm so sorry! It was when the poll just started, and I was young and naive!Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
I see. Yes, you were a lot less grown up 1 hour ago :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickD
This is the easiest question to answer since that goofball asked about Michael Jordan's HOF chances.
I figured putting who helped your fantasy team most would have helped Ichiro grab a few more votesQuote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
This question is like asking if Carlos Silva or Walter Johnson is better. Well, maybe not THAT extreme ;)
its like asking if layne staley is the best frontman ever :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
Oh obviously that is a yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by etothep
Robert Plant, and early Axl RoseQuote:
Originally Posted by etothep
I never have seen Gwynn play, but I am in awe when I watch Ichiro play. He can turn any type of contact into a hit. For example, his 200th hit this season was a slow dribbler to the shortstop and he beat the throw by a mile. Gotta love the guy.
He was a very, very VERY special player.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewOsborn
Ichiro is a fantastic ballplayer, but Gwynn is an ALL TIME great, and one of the best hitters ever to pick up a bat.
I'd like to take this opportunity to mention a stat that's always astounded me:
Gwynn faced Greg Maddux more than he faced any other pitcher.
Gwynn hit .429 against Maddux in 103 PAs. Even though it is L vs. R... uh, .429 against Maddux is pretty friggen incredible...
No, I just voted for Ichiro a minute ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
[x] Plays in Seattle
[x] He's Asian :D
[x] Only has played 8 seasons so his per season average is about the same.
[x] He's not built like an offensive lineman
hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by asianinvasion
Woah woah woah. The Ichiro "support" skyrocketed! Where'd all that come from?
Yes,indeed - there is 1 difference in that Ichiro is still playing & his assessment compared to Gwynn is well,unfair as we don't know what he will do in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Gwynn has 20 years with a .338 .388 .459 line,Suzuki only 8 MLB years & .331 .377 .431 so the differences might be closer or widen as time goes on.
At the moment I would vote for Mr "San Diego" as he was awesome even in his late 30's but I could change my perception depending on how Ichiro handles 09 onwards . I guess I am sitting on the fence,right ? :rolleyes:
I'm very much with the gent from au sud de France. :) Gwynn is better at this point - there's little question in that. Suzuki Ichiro has the chance, however, to be as good or possibly better, which is an amazing statement, as I don't believe any other ballplayer today fits that criteria (A-Rod or Pujols, perhaps).Quote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
I don't know if he will; I'd tend to believe otherwise. But there's a shot.
Gwynn was inducted into the Hall of Fame at the same time as Cal Ripken. It's worth it to mention that I didn't hear a single Orioles fan or writer - not one single one - who said that Cal's induction overshadowed Tony Gwynn's. O's fans saw little of Tony Gwynn during his career...yet I think all believed that Gwynn was every bit as deserving of the HoF as their own Cal Ripken.
Comparative to the leagues/eras they've played in, the separation between Gwynn and Ichiro is a lot larger than it appears. I don't think the numbers really do Gwynn justice, even as good as they are. He was baseball's best pure hitter (non-power division) by miles and miles and miles for most of his career.
Ichiro doesn't have the same distinction.
He'd have to actually improve on his past numbers, quite a bit, to truly be in any sort of rational conversation along with Tony Gwynn.
Very true. Gwynn won 8 batting titles. Ichiro's won two, and I don't see him winning more than 1, maybe 2, more, if that. A lot of Ichiro's average is assisted by his speed, whereas Gwynn was a line drive hitter that ALWAYS put the ball into play. Gwynn's ability to hit for average held up as he aged for precisely that reason.
http://www.npbtracker.com/2009/02/ic...-as-a-pitcher/
But could Gwynn pitch?
so could Williams :D
Code:Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
1940 21 BOS AL 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 2.0 3 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 9 0 4.50 4.51 100 1.500 MVP-14,AS
I think had we had Ichirio since he was a rookie at age like 21-22 and if you compared the careers, I would take Ichiro...that true of a leadoff hitter is hard to find.