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what current players do you think will be HOFers?
what current players do you think will be HOFers? To make things bit simpler let's hold the discussion to MLB players with at least 10 years of service as of this season, this makes it a bit easier to project what they might do over the next 5 seasons or so to finish out their careers don't you think vs. a relatively new commer with less than 4 seasons of experience. Here's my short list of guys that have at least a 50% shot with the most obvious ones coming first: 1. Griffey 2. Randy Johnson 3. Derek Jeter 4. Alex Rodriguez 5. Jim Thome 6. Barry Bonds 7. Mike Mussina has at least a 50% chance, I think if he can have another year or two like this year he will get in. 8. John Smoltz 9. Greg Maddux is a lock of course 10. Swinging Sammy Sosa has a decent shot. Who's on your list guys?
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Re: what current players do you think will be HOFers?
Lets see:
Schilling
Alex Rodriguez
Manny Ramirez
Jim Thome
Omar Vizquel
Greg maddux
Tom Glavine
John Smoltz
trevor Hoffman
Pedro martinez
Mariano Rivera
Derek Jeter
Chipper Jones
Andruw Jones is young enough that if he turns it around, he has a chance
Frank Thomas
Ivan Rodriguez
Mike Mussina
Vladmir Guerrero
Gary Sheffield
Randy Johnson
Todd Helton
Wow that's a lot of Hall of Famers
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Oh, Yea,
Jeff Kent
Albert Pujols
Yea, kevin Brown is deserving
Billy Wagner maybe....
Retired that should be in
Piazza
Bert Blevlyn
Larry Walker
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Locks if not for steroid connection/suspicion:
- Barry Bonds
- Roger Clemens
- Sammy Sosa
- Mark McGwire
- Rafael Palmeiro
Locks:- Ken Griffey Jr.
- Randy Johnson
- Greg Maddux
- John Smoltz
- Tom Glavine
- Derek Jeter
- Alex Rodriguez
- Frank Thomas
- Ivan Rodriguez
- Mike Piazza
- Pedro Martinez
- Trevor Hoffman
- Mariano Rivera
- Chipper Jones
- Manny Ramirez
- Craig Biggio
- Albert Pujols - I know he's not got 10 years yet, but I think it's safe to say that he's in, so long as he makes it to 10 years, which barring tragedy, he will.
I say they should be, not positive they will:- Jim Thome
- Gary Sheffield
- Mike Mussina
- Curt Schilling
- Jeff Kent
- Jorge Posada
- Vladimir Guerrero
- Jeff Bagwell
- Carlos Delgado
- Ichiro Suzuki
I think should be in but doubt they will:
- Kevin Brown
- Edgar Martinez
Undecided on chances and my own opinion:
I say they shouldn't be, but they have a shot:- Omar Vizquel
- Andy Pettitte
- Billy Wagner
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No to thome, sheffield, a. jones
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Originally Posted by
RedsoxRockies
Bert Blevlyn
Blyleven, Jim Rice, and Andre Dawson are all getting in within the next few years, barring the BBWAA completely going against the way they've voted in all past elections.
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Originally Posted by
HoustonGM
Blyleven, Jim Rice, and Andre Dawson are all getting in within the next few years, barring the BBWAA completely going against the way they've voted in all past elections.
Dunno about Bert, they have kept him out this long...
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Let's see: current or recently retired or people who haven't made the HOF yet but should
Bonds
Griffey
Sosa
Thome
Biggio
Bagwell
Rickey Henderson
Bert Blyleven
Jim Rice
Lee Smith
Andre Dawson
RON SANTO
Gil Hodges
Vizquel
Hoffman
Mussina
Schilling
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
Omar Vizquel
Sheffield
PIAZZA
Tom Glavine
Maddux
Smoltz
Helton
Billy Wagner
John Franco
Manny Ramirez
Chipper Jones
Frank Thomas
Pujols
Jeff Kent
Jim Edmonds
Sorry if I missed anyone big, I think I covered everyone though.
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Originally Posted by
Wassit3
Dunno about Bert, they have kept him out this long...
He recently got 60% of the vote or so. History shows us that when a player gets that much of the vote, they're nearly guaranteed to be elected, and if not by the BBWAA, definitely by the Veteran's Committee. But I think he'll get in by the BBWAA. Rich Lederer's campaign over at thebaseballanalysts.com really did some good.
By the way, here's an article from today on the BBWAA voting process. It links back to previous articles written by the same guy, as well. The article examines the trends of the BBWAA voting.
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Henderson's a lock to go in this coming year. Santo should've been in a long time ago. I don't think Gil Hodges should be in, nor do I think he will get in through the VC. And John Franco? He doesn't belong in, and won't get in.
I limited my list above, though, to currently active players or players that are retired but haven't yet been on the ballot (except for McGwire and Palmeiro).
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Originally Posted by
HoustonGM
Locks if not for steroid connection/suspicion:
- Barry Bonds
- Roger Clemens
- Sammy Sosa
- Mark McGwire
Locks:
- Ken Griffey Jr.
- Randy Johnson
- Greg Maddux
- John Smoltz
- Tom Glavine
- Derek Jeter
- Alex Rodriguez
- Frank Thomas
- Ivan Rodriguez
- Mike Piazza
- Pedro Martinez
- Trevor Hoffman
- Mariano Rivera
- Chipper Jones
- Manny Ramirez
- Albert Pujols - I know he's not got 10 years yet, but I think it's safe to say that he's in, so long as he makes it to 10 years, which barring tragedy, he will.
I say they should be, not positive they will:
- Jim Thome
- Gary Sheffield
- Mike Mussina
- Curt Schilling
- Jeff Kent
- Jorge Posada
- Vladimir Guerrero
I think should be in but doubt they will:
Undecided on chances and my own opinion:
I say they shouldn't be, but they have a shot:
- Omar Vizquel
- Andy Pettitte
- Billy Wagner
what about Jim Edmonds (8 gold gloves, 4 all-star), Juan González (2 MVP, 6 silver slugger awards, 5 40 plus homer seasons)?
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Lets see....
1B Albert Pujols
LF Barry Bonds
CF Ken Griffey Jr.
SP Roger Clemens
SP Pedro Martinez
OF Rickey Henderson
RP Mariano Rivera
C Mike Piazza
C Ivan Rodriguez
SP Greg Maddux
SP/RP John Smoltz
SP Tim Glavine
1B/3B/DH Jim Thome
3B Chipper Jones
LF Manny Ramirez
RP Trevor Hoffman
DH Frank Thomas
1B Todd Helton
RF Vladimir Guerrero
2B Jeff Kent
SP Curt Schilling
SS Omar Vizquel
SS Derek Jeter
3B Alex Rodriguez
I'm sure I missed some guys I think will/should get in, but there's my list.
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Originally Posted by
HoustonGM
Henderson's a lock to go in this coming year. Santo should've been in a long time ago. I don't think Gil Hodges should be in, nor do I think he will get in through the VC. And John Franco? He doesn't belong in, and won't get in.
I limited my list above, though, to currently active players or players that are retired but haven't yet been on the ballot (except for McGwire and Palmeiro).
John Franco: one of the greatest closers in the history of the game? Feared by all when he was on the mound? Mets hero? That John Franco doesn't belong in the HOF? Get real ,HGM...
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metsguy234
John Franco: one of the greatest closers in the history of the game? Feared by all when he was on the mound? Mets hero? That John Franco doesn't belong in the HOF? Get real ,HGM...
:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by
Wassit3
what about Jim Edmonds (8 gold gloves, 4 all-star), Juan González (2 MVP, 6 silver slugger awards, 5 40 plus homer seasons)?
I'm split on Jim Edmonds. He doesn't have the career value I like to see, but his peak value was incredible. I lean towards yes. However, I doubt he'll actually have much of a chance.
Juan Gonzalez, no. I don't think he belongs, and I also highly doubt he'll make it considering he's an iffy case to begin with, coupled with the steroid allegations. I also don't think he deserved either MVP award (he beat A-Rod by 3 points in the voting in 1996, but A-Rod had better raw offensive production...from shortstop, and in 1998 he beat out Albert Belle who somehow placed like 9th because the media hated him along with a more deserving Nomar Garciaparra).
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YEAH DAAAAWG
:rolleyes:
My thoughts exactly.
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HGM, I pretty much agree with you, but I gotta add in Edgar Martinez.
If you are going to put in Albert Pujols, then you must put in Ichiro. They both started the same year.
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Originally Posted by
boomboom
HGM, I pretty much agree with you, but I gotta add in Edgar Martinez.
I'd put Edgar in my "should be, but doubt it" category.
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If you are going to put in Albert Pujols, then you must put in Ichiro. They both started the same year.
Ichiro was a lot older, but I'll put him in the "I say they should be, not positive they will" category.
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Re: what current players do you think will be HOFers?
HGM's list is pretty succinct.
I like it.
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I agree that Edgar and Ichiro sghould go in. What about Hideo Nomo? He was sort of the pioneer for Japanese players coming to America, and has greatly influenced the game
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Originally Posted by
metsguy234
Let's see: current or recently retired or people who haven't made the HOF yet but should
Bonds
Griffey
Sosa
Thome
Biggio
Bagwell
Rickey Henderson
Bert Blyleven
Jim Rice
Lee Smith
Andre Dawson
RON SANTO
Gil Hodges
Vizquel
Hoffman
Mussina
Schilling
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
Omar Vizquel
Sheffield
PIAZZA
Tom Glavine
Maddux
Smoltz
Helton
Billy Wagner
John Franco
Manny Ramirez
Chipper Jones
Frank Thomas
Pujols
Jeff Kent
Jim Edmonds
Sorry if I missed anyone big, I think I covered everyone though.
You forgot A-Rod and Jeter ;)
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RedsoxRockies
I agree that Edgar and Ichiro sghould go in. What about Hideo Nomo? He was sort of the pioneer for Japanese players coming to America, and has greatly influenced the game
No. It wasn't a huge, groundbreaking move in the same vein as like say, Jackie Robinson, and he's nowhere near the HOF level based on performance, whereas a guy like Robinson was.
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RedsoxRockies
You forgot A-Rod and Jeter ;)
And Mariano Rivera.
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HoustonGM
And Mariano Rivera.
Ooh, he'd love that
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maddux OBVIOUSLY
Glavine (thi i dont REALLY think he belongs if Smoltz isnt there
Smoltz
Johnson
Griffey
Manny
A-Rod
Jeter
Mariano
VAratec will et consideration but I dont think he is quite there
Pudge MAYBE
Clemens (if steroids dont keep him out)
Pujols
Chipper jones is top 3 #B All Time. Highest OBP besides schmidt, good defensivly, Good BA, leadership, etc
Sheffield will get consideration.
Bonds
Ichiro
Managers
Bobby Cox
Joe Torre
Tony Larousa
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Miguel Cabrera - I know he's young but check out the vitals -
http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cabremi01.shtml
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Originally Posted by
TheNamelessPoet
maddux OBVIOUSLY
Glavine (thi i dont REALLY think he belongs if Smoltz isnt there
Smoltz
Johnson
Griffey
Manny
A-Rod
Jeter
Mariano
VAratec will et consideration but I dont think he is quite there
Pudge MAYBE
Clemens (if steroids dont keep him out)
Pujols
Chipper jones is top 3 #B All Time. Highest OBP besides schmidt, good defensivly, Good BA, leadership, etc
Sheffield will get consideration.
Bonds
Ichiro
Managers
Bobby Cox
Joe Torre
Tony Larousa
Varitek, not VAratec. VAratec sounds like a technology industry
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RedsoxRockies
Varitek, not VAratec. VAratec sounds like a technology industry
yea yea yea
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ohms_law
So does Varitek.
lol
I suppose you are right. :cool:
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RedsoxRockies
You forgot A-Rod and Jeter ;)
A-Rod's got a shot, Rivera and Jeter, if those scumbags make the hall of fame, I won't ever watch another baseball game as long as I live.
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metsguy234
A-Rod's got a shot, Rivera and Jeter, if those scumbags make the hall of fame, I won't ever watch another baseball game as long as I live.
Well, they are shoo-ins.
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metsguy234
A-Rod's got a shot, Rivera and Jeter, if those scumbags make the hall of fame, I won't ever watch another baseball game as long as I live.
A-Rod's "got a shot"? That might very well be the biggest understatement I've ever read in my life.
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metsguy234
A-Rod's got a shot, Rivera and Jeter, if those scumbags make the hall of fame, I won't ever watch another baseball game as long as I live.
In other words, metsguy's gonna gave a lot more time on his hands in about 15 years.
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metsguy234
A-Rod's got a shot, Rivera and Jeter, if those scumbags make the hall of fame, I won't ever watch another baseball game as long as I live.
This is one of the most retarded statements I have ever heard. Seriously. Grow up man. This is getting old.
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boomboom
This is one of the most retarded statements I have ever heard. Seriously. Grow up man. This is getting old.
Agreed.
A-Rod will go down as the best player of his generation, bar none, and has a damn good chance to go down as the best player ever. He's an easy first ballot Hall of Famer, even if he retired right now.
Jeter is far from even the best shortstop ever, but his credentials are undeniable and he too is a first ballot Hall of Famer today.
Mariano Rivera is arguably the greatest closer of all-time, and is certainly the best post-season close of all-time. Rivera is also a shoo-in first ballot guy.
To say A-Rod "has a shot and that you'll never watch baseball again if Jeter and Rivera are elected to the Hall of Fame is extremely stupid and immature of you, not only as a baseball fan as a person. Even if you don't like a guy like Jeter or A-Rod, you should still respect their ability.
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YEAH DAAAAWG
Agreed.
A-Rod will go down as the best player of his generation, bar none, and has a damn good chance to go down as the best player ever. He's an easy first ballot Hall of Famer, even if he retired right now.
Jeter is far from even the best shortstop ever, but his credentials are undeniable and he too is a first ballot Hall of Famer today.
Mariano Rivera is arguably the greatest closer of all-time, and is certainly the best post-season close of all-time. Rivera is also a shoo-in first ballot guy.
To say A-Rod "has a shot and that you'll never watch baseball again if Jeter and Rivera are elected to the Hall of Fame is extremely stupid and immature of you, not only as a baseball fan as a person. Even if you don't like a guy like Jeter or A-Rod, you should still respect their ability.
Well, IMO all 3 did steroids, so I hope they don't get in ever....
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metsguy234
Well, IMO all 3 did steroids, so I hope they don't get in ever....
On what grounds? The fact that they're all talented and played for the hated Yankees?
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YEAH DAAAAWG
On what grounds? The fact that they're all talented and played for the hated Yankees?
On the grounds that I think they're roiders.
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metsguy234
On the grounds that I think they're roiders.
Yeah, ok, good logic.
