what current players do you think will be HOFers?

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Only A-Rod has any semblance of a "steroid cloud" and the only "evidence" against him is Jose Canseco saying that he introduced A-Rod to a steroid dealer.

And I'd also contend that those that did steroids weren't doing anything that they weren't allowed to do.

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I did recall hearing that, but I never believed it anyways. Even if it was true, who honestly believes A-Rod did steroids (besides mets and his disillusioned, biased, cloud of deceit.)?

Now THAT, is a hairy subject.

Its only the same in principle, but when Ruth was playing prohibition was in effect, a federal law but not something against Major League Baseball's rules. But its a well known fact that Ruth was a drinker, and a heavy drinker at that. The steroid issue holds the same basic idea.

Regardless of if steroids were against the rules in Major League Baseball or not, they were against federal law.

But I'll leave it at that because that's an extremely delicate subject that I'd rather not get too involved in.

Yeah, true. I meant "allowed" in a "baseball sense", and not even necessarily being against baseball rules, which steroids technically were. I meant allowed in a...MLB, management, etc. didn't give a crap.

Anyway, if we discounted baseball players from the Hall for doing things they weren't allowed to under law, we'd end up with a pretty tiny Hall of Fame.

No, it's actually under the Sportsmanship clause. It has nothing to do with any laws. Cheating is in no way good sportsmanship.

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Originally Posted by boa

No, it's actually under the Sportsmanship clause. It has nothing to do with any laws. Cheating is in no way good sportsmanship.

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There are a good amount of players enshrined in the Hall of Fame that were horrible sportsmen, along with a number of cheaters. That's because, usually, performance is given much greater weight than personality and even cheating. Except of course if you stick a needle in your ass. Which is way worse than beating fans up, and cheating in other ways, and playing dirty.

As long as there is baseball, there is going to be players who cheat and play dirty...like running into a catcher at full speed...ala Pete Rose (in a freaken allstar game)

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Originally Posted by boomboom

As long as there is baseball, there is going to be players who cheat and play dirty...like running into a catcher at full speed...ala Pete Rose (in a freaken allstar game)

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Yeah, that just makes him "gritty" and "all out."

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Originally Posted by boomboom

As long as there is baseball, there is going to be players who cheat and play dirty...like running into a catcher at full speed...ala Pete Rose (in a freaken allstar game)

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That's not dirty! It's filthy. :)

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Originally Posted by houstongm

yeah, that just makes him "gritty" and "all out."

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