Well, they are shoo-ins.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
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Well, they are shoo-ins.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
A-Rod's "got a shot"? That might very well be the biggest understatement I've ever read in my life.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Agreed.
In other words, metsguy's gonna gave a lot more time on his hands in about 15 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
This is one of the most retarded statements I have ever heard. Seriously. Grow up man. This is getting old.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
A-Rod will go down as the best player of his generation, bar none, and has a damn good chance to go down as the best player ever. He's an easy first ballot Hall of Famer, even if he retired right now.
Jeter is far from even the best shortstop ever, but his credentials are undeniable and he too is a first ballot Hall of Famer today.
Mariano Rivera is arguably the greatest closer of all-time, and is certainly the best post-season close of all-time. Rivera is also a shoo-in first ballot guy.
To say A-Rod "has a shot and that you'll never watch baseball again if Jeter and Rivera are elected to the Hall of Fame is extremely stupid and immature of you, not only as a baseball fan as a person. Even if you don't like a guy like Jeter or A-Rod, you should still respect their ability.
Well, IMO all 3 did steroids, so I hope they don't get in ever....Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
On what grounds? The fact that they're all talented and played for the hated Yankees?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
On the grounds that I think they're roiders.Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
Yeah, ok, good logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Nice post & pertinent too ;) Although A -Rod does have some "negatives" going for him which may lose him a few votes (Seattle leaving incident/"Boras" extension & lack of Rings so far) he will be a 1st ballot HOFer as will the other 2 mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
I wouldn't vote for Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco, Roger Clemens, or Rafael Palmeiro for the Hall of Fame either.Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
Albert Pujols"Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
I don't think so...Ruth is some tough competitionQuote:
and has a damn good chance to go down as the best player ever.
Yep!Quote:
He's an easy first ballot Hall of Famer, even if he retired right now.
lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Albert Pujols is the the one guy I would put on the same planet as A-Rod right now and he was the one guy that came to mind as A-Rod's competition when writing that part of the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Ruth is obviously a great player and is hugely responsible for the evolution and development of the game of baseball at the Major League level, as well as developing interest among the youth of his time. With that said, its an impossibly difficult argument. A-Rod's book has yet to be written in its entirety, but he could retire as the greatest offensive player, statistically, of All-Time, but when considering the era and parks that Ruth played in it changes things. As I said, its an impossible debate, but honestly, who cares? They both are or were incredible, once-in-a-lifetime players that will go down as a couple of the best players ever.
Ok, all of the guys have an actual "steroid cloud" around them. Even Bonds numbers are so astronomical that it would be criminal to keep him out of Cooperstown, no matter how much hes hated.Quote:
I wouldn't vote for Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco, Roger Clemens, or Rafael Palmeiro for the Hall of Fame either.
Regardless, A-Rod, Jeter, and Rivera have no such cloud surrounding them. They've never had a great deal of statistical fluctuation (like Bonds did), none of them were accused of anything in the Mitchell Report (like all of the above were, I'm fairly certain), and there's really no rational reason to believe that Jeter, A-Rod, or Rivera ever did anything they weren't allowed to.
Only A-Rod has any semblance of a "steroid cloud" and the only "evidence" against him is Jose Canseco saying that he introduced A-Rod to a steroid dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
And I'd also contend that those that did steroids weren't doing anything that they weren't allowed to do.