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If you were GM of your team..
..would you be utterly ruthless and efficient, or would you be influenced by your iconic players?
E.G.: The Red Sox. If they had a shot at Teixeira the smart thing would be to give the lions share of time to Youk and Tex and let Lowell and Papi scrap over the DH......but I'd rather win and lose with Papi and Lowell for the next 1-2 years then bring in Tex because I'm just stupid that way and for all of Theo's "Don't fall in love with your stars" philosophy, I suspect the Sox FO is as bad as I am.
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One of my first acts of business would be: I'd trade James Loney.
I think it's hard to say what I'd really be like as a GM. But I'd think, working your way up to a GM, you'd probably learn to see players as a commodity and not as entertainment (like we see them now). So it'd be easier to be "ruthless and efficient."
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My fav team is a small market team, so I wouldn't be able to afford to view my players as stars I wanted to keep. I'd have to see them as commodities.
For the record, I'd trade Bill Hall, shoot Eric Gagne, & give Rickie Weeks a headsup that he's on the hotseat as well
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..would you be utterly ruthless and efficient, or would you be influenced by your iconic players?
Ruthless.
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Originally Posted by
ohms_law
Ruthless.
haha, not even ruthless & efficient, just ruthless
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Originally Posted by
etothep
haha, not even ruthless & efficient, just ruthless
You only hit .346 with 48 HRs, 134 RBI and 123 Walks? Get off this team. Now.
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Trade Aaron Heilman and hire Davey Johnson to manage the Mets.
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Blowup the team and start all over in Seattle. Trade Beltre, Bedard, Washburn, Johjima, and hopefully Silva and Batista. Release Batista if he cant be traded.
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Trade Ankiel. Make Rasmus the starter in Centerfield. Rotation would be
1.Wainwright
2.Lohse
3.Carpenter
4.Parisi
5.Wellemer
Closer.Chris Perez or Jason Motte
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1.Wainwright
2.Lohse
3.Boggs
4.Parisi
5.Wellemer
What no Carpenter! And you call yourself a Cards fans
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Re: If you were GM of your team..
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Originally Posted by
Pavelb1
..would you be utterly ruthless and efficient, or would you be influenced by your iconic players?
I'd be too loyal, probably to a fault... and not even necessarily with "iconic" players. It's the same way I operate my BBM teams. I guess it's the part of me that liked seeing players like Kirby Puckett and Kent Hrbek spend their entire careers with a team growing up, even though I know that's entirely unrealistic (and not necessarily beneficial to the team) nowadays, but I always end up having the same lineup (barring injuries) for seasons at a time. I like the continuity and "loyalty", even though with most players in real life, it's based on money anyway.
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Shoot Andruw Jones. Trade Juan Pierre. Only changes I'd make
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I'd tell Andruw to get back on whatever steroids he was doing a few seasons ago instead.
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Originally Posted by
BINGLEBOP
I'd tell Andruw to get back on whatever steroids he was doing a few seasons ago instead.
Shoot him...shoot him up, it could go either way.
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Originally Posted by
Pavelb1
..would you be utterly ruthless and efficient, or would you be influenced by your iconic players?
E.G.: The Red Sox. If they had a shot at Teixeira the smart thing would be to give the lions share of time to Youk and Tex and let Lowell and Papi scrap over the DH......but I'd rather win and lose with Papi and Lowell for the next 1-2 years then bring in Tex because I'm just stupid that way and for all of Theo's "Don't fall in love with your stars" philosophy, I suspect the Sox FO is as bad as I am.
Hasn't the Yankees attempt to buy every star FA and punch them into their lineup taught us anything over the past 8 years? Why would the smart move be to sign Tex and make Lowell and Papi part timers? Chemistry, although often overrated...in the cases of these large market teams often gets underrated IMO. This would be a horrific move. Sure Lowell & Papi have had a few injuries this year...but part-timing star talent usually causes inconsistency and/or conflict in the long run. Both are still highly productive...use the money on pitching and/or signing the young emerging talent.
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Originally Posted by
dickay
Hasn't the Yankees attempt to buy every star FA and punch them into their lineup taught us anything over the past 8 years? Why would the smart move be to sign Tex and make Lowell and Papi part timers? Chemistry, although often overrated...in the cases of these large market teams often gets underrated IMO. This would be a horrific move. Sure Lowell & Papi have had a few injuries this year...but part-timing star talent usually causes inconsistency and/or conflict in the long run. Both are still highly productive...use the money on pitching and/or signing the young emerging talent.
The likely hood is that 20 teams will be going after Tex - with the 2 NY teams SIMULTANEOUSLY desperate for a 1B - seems unlikely the BoSox will or need to get into that battle ESPECIALLY with Anderson at AA & ready to called up mid way through 09.
Luckily their INF is set with Youk,Pedrioa,Lowrie/Cora/Lugo & Lowell.
OF too but MAY need a OF bis to cover Drew's back or Ellsbury struggles - team will/has lost Manny/Moss & Kotsay.
Pitching is the NEED - Wake will be 1 year older & 1 injury away from end...Clay is well still learning which leaves 4/5 spots in the ??? category & the pen needs an overhaul with only Okajima & Paps certainties.
Rumour has it that Burnett is on their WISH list,can't see them going after CC but may get into the Sheets Sweep or even take a 1 or 2 year flyer on "American Idle" Pavano!
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dickay
use the money signing the young emerging talent.
I think they DID this in the draft & International FA - signed 4th round Westmoreland for 2 mill - Hissey for 1 mill etc - spent 11.55 million & were unlucky not to change Meyer's mind after offering 1.75 mill (rumour had it he wanted 2.55) BUT the minors are pretty loaded as shown by the AA & AAA teams are in their playoffs ;)
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Id resign Glavine and Smoltz to 2 mill deals with insentives up to about 7-8 million. go tet sabathia and try and coax Texeria back since he claimes he love it so much. Trade Francouer for and a young arm for a pitcher GOD knows where we could find one :( and have next year a rotation of
#1 Hudson
#2 Sabathia
#3 Smoltz
#4 Jurgens
#5 Glavine
I'd LOVE to se manny but he wouldnt sign a 2 year deal and he will cost some dumb gm 20+ a year and im not willing to pay it. That is keeping the payroll roughly the same.
we lose
Hampton 15million
texeria 14 million
Smoltz 14 million
Glavine 8 million
thats 51 million. 17-19 to sabathia and 20 to texeria.
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Originally Posted by
dickay
Hasn't the Yankees attempt to buy every star FA and punch them into their lineup taught us anything over the past 8 years?
Besides being unfounded rhetoric...it taught us what? How to get into the playoffs 7 years in a row. The playoffs *are* a crapshoot.
As for Lowell and Papi...I'll go on record now to say neither one of them will ever duplicate their 2007 success again, and you can wave that in my face for as long as I live should I be wrong.
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Hmmm, lessee. First, I'd hire somebody to drag Peter Angelos out behind the warehouse and administer the Tonya Harding Treatment with a Louisville Slugger...
As for the team, trade Mora, toss Millar into the Inner Harbor and make him swim back to Boston, or to the Lotte Orion Marines or wherever...and Jay Payton can join him. Ramon Hernandez can stay around just long enough to be sure that Matt Wieters can call a major league game, then it's into the drink with him, too.
Move heaven and earth to land Mark Teixeira in orange and black. Sure, that's everyone else's idea, too, and it would make more sense to get a FA pitcher (Ben Sheets?), but he's a local boy and actually wants to be with his hometown team growing up.
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In addition to my last post...
DONT resing smoltz and glavine... let them ride into the sunset... throw 7-10 million at maddux :P
now back to reality dont resign them and go for sheets too :p
Resign chippers deal for 4 years 8 per year with te 3rd and 4th an option to save another 4 million.
C. Mcann
1B Texeria
2B Johnson
3B Chipper
SS Escobar
LF Diaz
CF Blanco
RF *shudder* Francouer
#1 Blanco
#2 Escobar
#3 Johnson
#4 Chipper
#5 Texeria
#6 Mcann
#7 Francouer
#8 Diaz
I like moving everyone up and puting johnson in 6th instead of 3rd.. that works for me :)
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Originally Posted by
Pavelb1
Besides being unfounded rhetoric...it taught us what? How to get into the playoffs 7 years in a row. The playoffs *are* a crapshoot.
As for Lowell and Papi...I'll go on record now to say neither one of them will ever duplicate their 2007 success again, and you can wave that in my face for as long as I live should I be wrong.
I was thinking more along the lines of spending nearly 1.5 billion, more than twice any other team during that same period, and having no WS titles to show for it. But if spending that coin and merely making the playoffs are enough for you.......you are a fan of the right team. ;)
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Originally Posted by
dickay
I was thinking more along the lines of spending nearly 1.5 billion, more than twice any other team during that same period, and having no WS titles to show for it. But if spending that coin and merely making the playoffs are enough for you.......you are a fan of the right team. ;)
No amount of money can buy a World Series win.
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Reade
What no Carpenter! And you call yourself a Cards fans
Whoops Forgot about him
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I would get Texiera and make him split time at Catcher :D. This would be to make all the other teams get mad.
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Originally Posted by
Pavelb1
..would you be utterly ruthless and efficient, or would you be influenced by your iconic players?
E.G.: The Red Sox. If they had a shot at Teixeira the smart thing would be to give the lions share of time to Youk and Tex and let Lowell and Papi scrap over the DH......but I'd rather win and lose with Papi and Lowell for the next 1-2 years then bring in Tex because I'm just stupid that way and for all of Theo's "Don't fall in love with your stars" philosophy, I suspect the Sox FO is as bad as I am.
I'd fire myself.
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dannymac910
I'd fire myself.
Somebody is feeling suicidal :p
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TheNamelessPoet
Id resign Glavine and Smoltz to 2 mill deals with insentives up to about 7-8 million. go tet sabathia and try and coax Texeria back since he claimes he love it so much. Trade Francouer for and a young arm for a pitcher GOD knows where we could find one :( and have next year a rotation of
#1 Hudson
#2 Sabathia
#3 Smoltz
#4 Jurgens
#5 Glavine
I'd LOVE to se manny but he wouldnt sign a 2 year deal and he will cost some dumb gm 20+ a year and im not willing to pay it. That is keeping the payroll roughly the same.
we lose
Hampton 15million
texeria 14 million
Smoltz 14 million
Glavine 8 million
thats 51 million. 17-19 to sabathia and 20 to texeria.
****!!! just rememberd Hudson is out next year :( more everyone up 1 slot and I guess put chuck james/Jojo Reyes in at #5... man all of a sudden we really suck again :( I guess maybe throw 5-8 million at lowe for a 2-3 year deal :(
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Re: If you were GM of your team..
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HoustonGM
No amount of money can buy a World Series win.
Not spending it will guarantee you don't.
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Originally Posted by
oriole^
Not spending it will guarantee you don't.
False. 2003
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Originally Posted by
oriole^
Not spending it will guarantee you don't.
Not spending it wisely will guarantee you don't
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Originally Posted by
etothep
Not spending it wisely will guarantee you don't
False. Julio Lugo $8.25 million.
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Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
2007 31 BOS AL 147 570 71 135 36 2 8 73 33 6 48 82 .237 .294 .349 65 199 8 4 0 0 9
Consistantly spending it unwisely will guarantee you don't?
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filihok
False. Julio Lugo $8.25 million.
1 bad contract on a team isn't exactly what I would call not spending it wisely
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have the royals sign him to that deal and tell me it wont crush them. you are looking at 1 figure not the % of that contract. in teh red sox thats about 5-8 % of their payroll. on KC thats about 10-20% of the payroll.. BIG difference.
Its liek this... The yanks made a $10 million a year mistake with pavano. Thats like a 1-3 million mistake with the royals. BIG difference.
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reggie sanders comes to my mind when you say that about the royals (gil meche, while not a bad pitcher, isn't exactly lighting it up like one would expect of a player who brings in that percentage of a team's payroll, roughly a quarter of the payroll & not sure how much guillen is making for them either, but that could be a black hole as well)...but were they competing before making the bad contracts either?
the brewers aren't exactly a large market team & they seem to have survived their eric gagne contract quite well (nearly 14% of their payroll)
dbacks aren't lighting up the baseball universe right now, but they're ahead in their division race while spending nearly 12% of their payroll on doug davis (whip over 1.5, era of 4.6)
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oriole^
Not spending it will guarantee you don't.
As others said, not necessarily.
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The question is overall payroll, not a few individual out-of-whack contracts.
People tend to sling around individual examples of bargain basement teams or players made good, and say that it "proves" money can't buy you a pennant - with the implication that it doesn't have any effect. This is not only wrong, but dangerously so, because it's probably the biggest problem baseball faces.
Logically, teams have a certain range they're going to be in. You can test it with BBM - run the same season 100 times. How many times do the Red Sox finish last? How many times do the Royals finish first? The reality is, the Red Sox won't always win the Series, but the amount that they spend pretty much guarantees they'll be one of the top eight teams in the league; they won't finish under .500. The Royals may not be in the basement, but they won't be much better than the 20th best team in the league and won't win more than 83 games or so.
Obviously, if we are speaking generally, shrewd trading, players who take good care of their bodies and skills as they age, and various strategies all have an effect on performance...but the short way of doing all of that is money. With a lot of effort and coaching and training and luck, I could possibly get Kevin Millar to hit 25 HRs...or I could go out and buy Prince Fielder from the small-market Brewers and pretty much relax and have my coaches concentrate on something else for a while.
In fact, in the case of teams like the Yankees over a 35-year period or so, the only difference between them and an average team is how often they purchase players and what quality those players are.
I say it's the biggest problem because we all like to believe that on Opening Day, there are 30 teams with the same chance to win the World Series, and that simply isn't the case. There are perhaps eight, and the easiest way to determine who they are is by their payroll expenditures. Beyond that, the numbers are just simply too far out of alignment.
So, no, you can't buy your way to a pennant - but you can buy the chance to get one.
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Spending a lot of money, though, isn't necessarily going to get you into the playoffs, and spending little money isn't necessarily going to prevent you from getting into the playoffs.
Honestly, the only thing that matters is how well you spend the money available to you. The Twins and Athletics consistently win with relatively low payrolls. This doesn't "prove" that money can't buy you a pennant, nor does it imply that money doesn't have an effect. It proves that money isn't absolutely necessary, and implies that "poor" teams have just a good a chance at making the playoffs as rich teams do, because money doesn't win games, good players win games, and teams without much money can assemble good times by drafting and developing well, finding bargain free agents, making good trades, etc.
Does money help? Of course. But it's not the be-all-and-end-all. There are high-priced teams that suck because the money spent was done so in a stupid way (see: Seattle Mariners) and there are low-priced teams that are good because they spent the little money available to them smartly.
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the biggest think I have seen is that the smaller market teams are not as willing to go that extra year or 2 with a player. for example... the yankees of old would ahve offered Lowel the 4 year deal he wanted. The Red Sox said we are offering a 3 year deal... we want you back but on OUR terms. It seems now that players are not as able to force a teams hands. This is causing the smaller market teams to get MORE for their your arbitratio elligable players Willis/Cabrerra and Texeria for example. These guys were worth more than they used to be because there are less f/a out there. Players are seeing that teams dont want to give a 7 year 140+ million contract like Giambi got. Its not like they are not making $$$ is that players see the way it is going and its in their best intrest when they are younger to get locked up for a few years (mccan,longoria,etc)
My thought over the next 5-10 years is that the league is going to start balancing itself bck out.
