Pretty simple....would you give CC Sabathia a vote for either, or both, of these awards?
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Pretty simple....would you give CC Sabathia a vote for either, or both, of these awards?
Nothing. He's 15-8. Cliff Lee gets the AL Cy and Brandon Webb gets the NL Cy.
But CC isn't 35 yet :p
Tell me who is a better pitcher in the NL.
Brandon Webb may not be better then CC but CC hasn't played the entire season in the NL. If Webb tosses 22-24 wins how can they not give it to him?
& here I was thinking that wins were more of a team factor than just who the starting pitcher was :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
They can not give it to Webb because CC is the better pitcher. That's who wins the CY
I still think the pitcher IS the most important factor in a team winning, but he needs a little help
Wins are a pretty poor barometer for how good/valuable a pitcher is, in most cases.
In the case of Cliff Lee, its been a great barometer because of how poor the team has done, but then you look in case like Daisuke Matsuzaka, hes 15-2 but almost every time he pitches he makes me cover and close my eyes because I don't want to see what happens when he puts two men on with no body out.
And Cliff Lee's 20 win season is because his team was good?Quote:
Originally Posted by etothep
I agree CC is the better pitcher but the season Webb has had is pretty damn good.
I still think Webb takes it.
Is he? I think it's damn close, but not clear cut, and also, the award is for the best pitcher in a league in a season, not the best pitcher. Sometimes, better pitchers have worse years than worse pitchers.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Anyway, C.C. has obviously been the best on a per-inning and per-game basis. That's indisputable. However, he'll end up with 16 starts in the NL, about half as much as starters that spent the full year in the NL. I can't see giving the Cy to a pitcher that spent half the year in the league. It's tough, because C.C. is probably going to end up as the best pitcher in the league overall, but the awards go one to each league, and C.C.'s value was split, which sucks, but that's the way it is.
It's between Lincecum, Santana, and Webb, and I'm leaning Lincecum more and more.
Not sure how long Rick Sutcliffe was in Chicago the year he won his Cy Young with them, but he was traded mid-seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I know, he made 20 starts. Personally, I'd have given it to Gooden that year, and Sutcliffe 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by etothep
His value isn't split... he's 15-8 this year. What's there to split? His season didn't restart when he went to Milwaukee....
It did for his NL career. His AL stats have nothing to do with how they vote for the NL Cy Young.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234