Proposed 2009 Yankee line-up

On the Red Sox Newsgroup, a poster proposed this possible Yankee line-up for 2009 after a number of FA signings, and not signing others such as Mussina and Giambi.

"Their lineup could be:
LF Damon
SS Jeter
RF Ramirez
3b Rodriguez
1b Teixeira
DH Posada
2b Cano
C Molina
CF Cabrera

Their rotation could be:
SP Sabathia
SP Wang
SP Sheets
SP Pettitte
SP Chamberlain

Their bullpen could include, at the back end, Marte, KRod, and
Rivera."

Now only three of their nine batters are under 33. And I did some simulations....now OF COURSE BM is not going rate these people as they are irl,... but essentially the defensive liabilites of the fielders are hurting what looks like a great starting pitching staff, on paper, too much. And...as today...any injuries are going to devestate that line-up. They allready have a couple of black-holes in Molina and Cabrera.

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Originally Posted by Pavelb1

On the Red Sox Newsgroup, a poster proposed this possible Yankee line-up for 2009 after a number of FA signings, and not signing others such as Mussina and Giambi.

"Their lineup could be:
LF Damon
SS Jeter
RF Ramirez
3b Rodriguez
1b Teixeira
DH Posada
2b Cano
C Molina
CF Cabrera

Their rotation could be:
SP Sabathia
SP Wang
SP Sheets
SP Pettitte
SP Chamberlain

Their bullpen could include, at the back end, Marte, KRod, and
Rivera."

Now only three of their nine batters are under 33. And I did some simulations....now OF COURSE BM is not going rate these people as they are irl,... but essentially the defensive liabilites of the fielders are hurting what looks like a great starting pitching staff, on paper, too much. And...as today...any injuries are going to devestate that line-up. They allready have a couple of black-holes in Molina and Cabrera.

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That will NOT be the lineup, IMO.

LF - Damon
SS - Jeter
1B - Teixeira
3B - A-Rod
DH - Matsui
RF - Nady
C - Posada
2B - Cano
CF - Decent CF'er from FA or Melky/Gardner

SP - Sabathia
SP - Wang
SP - Mussina
SP - Joba
SP - Hughes

CL - Mo
SU - Veras
RP - Bruney
RP - Ramirez
RP - Robertson
RP - Mark Melancon

We will keep Nady, not sign Manny, release Marte (to get the draft picks), sign Tex and/or Sabathia, keep Posada at C, and have a very good backup C in Jose Molina, plus we'll platoon Melky and Gardner unless we find a good CF'er in FA... Of course, Damon would be solid @ CF, IMO and we could bring back Bobby to play RF while Nady plays LF.

Absolutely ridiculous. They are gonna sign MANNY, TEXIERA, SHEETS, AND SABATHIA!?!? All in one season?? Please.........that is just ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop

Absolutely ridiculous. They are gonna sign MANNY, TEXIERA, SHEETS, AND SABATHIA!?!? All in one season?? Please.........that is just ludicrous.

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Aside from Manny...why not?

And the question...though I love the input...is not so much what the line-up will look like in a year, as it is...what do you think a line-up like this will do? I agree with the simulations that..that line-up is too old and defensively inefficient.

No, no i don't think the Yankees will go after Manny either, unless Hankie gets it into his head it would be some sort of earthshattering psychological weapon to use against the Sox.

Even the Yankees can't afford the top four free agents in the league.

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

Even the Yankees can't afford the top four free agents in the league.

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They can when they lose Mussina, Giambi, Abreau. That's 50 million right there.

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Originally Posted by Pavelb1

They can when they lose Mussina, Giambi, Abreau. That's 50 million right there.

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Oh...Pudge and Pavano is another 15 million. And don't forget K-Rod has been thrown in there also to sign.

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Originally Posted by Pavelb1

They can when they lose Mussina, Giambi, Abreau. That's 50 million right there.

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You honestly believe Sabathia, Sheets, Manny and Tex will all go to New York?

I know there's not a sufficient reason "why not?" but Hank and Cashman are building the farm system. Sabathia, Sheets and most likely Tex and Manny will want long term deals upwards of three years (Manny most likely 3). If you're farm system is being held back by aging dollars you go into the funk the Yankees are in now.

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Originally Posted by KowboyKoop

Absolutely ridiculous. They are gonna sign MANNY, TEXIERA, SHEETS, AND SABATHIA!?!? All in one season?? Please.........that is just ludicrous.

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You missed KRod. :D

In all seriousness, if the Yankees sign every one of these guys, if ANY team signs every one of these guys, I'm not watching baseball for a good while, because it's not much of a league sport any longer if one team can land the top 5 free agents in one shot.

Francisco Rodriguez is not signing with the Yankees. Do people honestly think that either a) Mariano Rivera will be moved to a setup man or b) a man who is likely to be coming off a season he which he broke the save record, and if not, came really close, is going to sign with a team that's NOT going to use him as their closer? Get real.

What would happen to the compensation picks if the Yankees supposedly signed all of those players? If they did sign Sabathia, Sheets, K-Rod, Manny and Teixiera, where would the picks go. All are most likely Type A free agents so the Brewers, Angles, and Dodgers would get two picks. Both the Brewers and Angles would get four each. What would happen.

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Originally Posted by asianinvasion

What would happen to the compensation picks if the Yankees supposedly signed all of those players? If they did sign Sabathia, Sheets, K-Rod, Manny and Teixiera, where would the picks go. All are most likely Type A free agents so the Brewers, Angles, and Dodgers would get two picks. Both the Brewers and Angles would get four each. What would happen.

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From Keith Law: "If a team signs more than one Type A free agent, its picks are parceled out to the 'losing' clubs in an order determined by the ratings of the free agents the team signed."

So, the team that lost the highest rated free agent would get the Yankees first round pick. The team that lost the next highest rated would get the Yankees 2nd round pick, I BELIEVE, although I'm not positive beyond the first pick. Note, though, that only picks 16-30 can be "given away." If the Yankees pick in the top 15, the teams that lost the free agents will only get a supplemental first round pick.

Each team would get a supplemental first round pick for each free agent lost.

But, don't worry, the Yankees won't be signing all 5 of those guys.

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Originally Posted by asianinvasion

What would happen to the compensation picks if the Yankees supposedly signed all of those players? If they did sign Sabathia, Sheets, K-Rod, Manny and Teixiera, where would the picks go. All are most likely Type A free agents so the Brewers, Angles, and Dodgers would get two picks. Both the Brewers and Angles would get four each. What would happen.

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The two angles are right angles, so they'd form a square-like thing :D

LOL, I've actually never seen someone misspell Angels as Angles twice in one sentence :D

You do realize that there will be other teams trying to sign these guys too, right???? The Yanks will probably get C.C. for sure I bet..but after that, there's gonna be a lot of bidders for all the others.

Yeah, and those players will probably want to sign with a winning team anyway.

You guys are missing the real point anyway. These Yankees under Hank are going to be different. They have stated that their short term goal is to "get out of paying the Luxury tax." And I believe them. Anytime a team changes owners is actually the biggest change a team can make, because you never know what that owner's priorities are.

I'm not saying Hank is going to accept mediocrity, he wouldn't get away with the that for long in New York and still draw 4 million, but I do believe his goals are different from George's "win at any cost" philosopy. I don't even see the Yankees signing more than 1 of those mentioned, possibly none.

Even if the Yankees offered some or even all of those players huge contracts, what makes you think that all those players would want to play for the Yankees? It's not all about the money, guys. After becoming a free agent in 1992, Greg Maddux was offered the most money by New York, but instead became a Brave. For one reason or another, the team that offers the most money is not necessarily the team that gets to sign the player.

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Originally Posted by GregCujo

Even if the Yankees offered some or even all of those players huge contracts, what makes you think that all those players would want to play for the Yankees? It's not all about the money, guys. After becoming a free agent in 1992, Greg Maddux was offered the most money by New York, but instead became a Brave. For one reason or another, the team that offers the most money is not necessarily the team that gets to sign the player.

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True BTW "Who cares" who the Yankees sign ? They still will be the THIRD best team in the East - they have a HUGE hole up the middle (Posada is done as a FULL time C,Jeter will be 1 year old & CF - Melky ? LOL)

I really do hope they DO sign all the players mentioned because they will paper over the cracks without actually solving the Yankees major/primary problem.

Please,Please,Please sign SPs,RPs,corner OFs & 1Bs when they REALLY need a C,SS & CF:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

You guys are missing the real point anyway. These Yankees under Hank are going to be different. They have stated that their short term goal is to "get out of paying the Luxury tax." And I believe them. Anytime a team changes owners is actually the biggest change a team can make, because you never know what that owner's priorities are.

I'm not saying Hank is going to accept mediocrity, he wouldn't get away with the that for long in New York and still draw 4 million, but I do believe his goals are different from George's "win at any cost" philosopy. I don't even see the Yankees signing more than 1 of those mentioned, possibly none.

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Yea I believe Hank always (like when he said he wouldnt resign A-Rod if he opted out :rolleyes: ) Anyways getting under the L-Tax is a priority SIMPLY cause the Steinbrenner's don't WANT to pay Tax !

Although I'm not necessarily in favor of this, I think Frank McCourt's mancrush on all things Boston will lead him to sign Manny, using a big chunk of the money the Dodgers have coming off the books this year and taking it away from other needs they have. I could be wrong, and I rather hope that I am, but that's how I see it coming out.

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Originally Posted by beerchaser

Although I'm not necessarily in favor of this, I think Frank McCourt's mancrush on all things Boston will lead him to sign Manny, using a big chunk of the money the Dodgers have coming off the books this year and taking it away from other needs they have. I could be wrong, and I rather hope that I am, but that's how I see it coming out.

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I'm also somewhat fearful of that. I'd rather that money to towards CC-I hear he likes L.A. :) - but there are still a few offensive holes to fill up. 2B, SS, 3B

I also think that McCourt will use the recent pickup in attendance at Dodger games as rationale for a Manny signing. Given that McCourt was whining about decreased attendance a month or so ago, despite the fact that LA is always one of MLB's top-drawing teams, this looks more likely by the day. I'm just afraid of what Manny will be like once he gets that new contract and he goes back to being Manny.

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Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989

Even the Yankees can't afford the top four free agents in the league.

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Giambi 21 Million
Abreu 16 million
Pettite 16 million
Pudge 13 Million
Mussina 11 Million
Pavano 13 Million

thats 90 million of the books

buyouts for 2009 extentions
Giambi 5 million
Pavano 1.95 Million (lol)

7 million back on the books.

+-83 million just sitting out there. you figure cano gets 3 mill raise Wong Will get a Raise (maybe 5 mill long term deal)... so take 75 million to round off the #..

The yanks wont throw all +-75 million back out there BUT rumors are they are trying to get rid of Matsui thats another 7 million (lets say they have to pay about 1/2)
Damon after next year is a f/a saves 8.5 million. melky may be their solution

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Francisco Rodriguez is not signing with the Yankees. Do people honestly think that either a) Mariano Rivera will be moved to a setup man or b) a man who is likely to be coming off a season he which he broke the save record, and if not, came really close, is going to sign with a team that's NOT going to use him as their closer? Get real.

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absolutly agree 100 %


Texeria and CC will be yanks next year of the met's don't grab texeria... Everyone forgets the Mets will be HUGE players in Texeria and omar is willing to spend...
Delgado 16 million (4 mill buyout 12 saved)
Pedro 11 Milion (no buyout)
Alou (thats right he is still there (7.5 million)
Hernandez 6.5 Million

thats 37 million.. they throw 20+ a year at Texeria and 15+ at sheets.

BTW guys that if LA lets him go. Vlad is done next year... how would they love to replae him with Texeria???

I was just lookin the angels have 34+- mill comming of the books this year... they might not be able to afford texeria... they already are at 120million and now they will need a closer

Whoever they field will be WS champs in 2009!!!!!

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Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet

I was just lookin the angels have 34+- mill comming of the books this year... they might not be able to afford texeria... they already are at 120million and now they will need a closer

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If they're smart, they'll do the sensible thing and use an in-house option at closer. Like this guy.

Why don't they just keep Rodriguez? They have one of the highest payrolls in baseball.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

Why don't they just keep Rodriguez? They have one of the highest payrolls in baseball.

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He's going to test the free agent market. Maybe they'll resign him. But I wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by metsguy234

Why don't they just keep Rodriguez? They have one of the highest payrolls in baseball.

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Value

For example

Texiera, Arredondo > Rodriguez, Arredondo

If I could only sign one of two, I think I know which I'd pick. But, I personally, don't think the closer position is hugely important.

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Originally Posted by filihok

Value

For example

Texiera, Arredondo > Rodriguez, Arredondo

If I could only sign one of two, I think I know which I'd pick. But, I personally, don't think the closer position is hugely important.

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Yep.

The "closer" role is far more replaceable than most people think.

I think the Yanks will sign Sabathia and Teixeira, but not Manny, Sheets and/or K-Rod.

I think the other New York team is going to make a more serious play at either Teixeira or Manny (but not both), and I really think they will land one. It wouldn't surprise me to see Sabathia garner the attention of the Yankees, but it also wouldn't surprise me if he lands in Chicago. The Yankees aren't going to consider K-Rod (while that other New York team very well might). Of all of these, IMO Sheets might be the most likely to being a Yankee. And like I said above, it wouldn't surprise me it none of these went there. If I had to bet on one, I'd bet on Sheets.

And as for Manny, if I had to bet on one, I'd bet on the Dodgers signing him. As Filihok and Beerchaser have said, I agree it probably be a mistake, but that hasn't stopped Colletti before.

I think OFG's correct on this one. The Yankees will not take K-Rod or Manny. One of the other three will definitely be a Yankee next year, possibly two.

Of course, the fact that we are speaking of a single team out of 30 picking up one of the top five players available - All-Stars or very near - through monetary means as a matter of course pretty much proves the point I was making earlier...y'know, the one where I was told how wrong I was? :)

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

I think the other New York team is going to make a more serious play at either Teixeira or Manny (but not both), and I really think they will land one. It wouldn't surprise me to see Sabathia garner the attention of the Yankees, but it also wouldn't surprise me if he lands in Chicago. The Yankees aren't going to consider K-Rod (while that other New York team very well might). Of all of these, IMO Sheets might be the most likely to being a Yankee. And like I said above, it wouldn't surprise me it none of these went there. If I had to bet on one, I'd bet on Sheets.

And as for Manny, if I had to bet on one, I'd bet on the Dodgers signing him. As Filihok and Beerchaser have said, I agree it probably be a mistake, but that hasn't stopped Colletti before.

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Wow... I couldn't agree more with this entire post. Great assessment!

I see the Dodgers resigning Manny. He loves it there, they love him, and if he gets them into the playoffs, I expect him to be resigned. I don't believe the Dodgers have ever re-signed a free agent, ever, in the entire history of the franchise (I'm being facetious here... but it's not very Dodger-like, and I'm used to being disappointed). As a Dodger fan, I'd prefer to see them sign Teixeira and trade Loney (not enough power for 1B, move him to an AL team for prospects or an infielder), but that probably will not happen. I disagree that signing Manny to a 2 year deal (MAX!) would be a bad idea for the Dodgers... this is EXACTLY what the Dodgers have needed for years, exactly what they've abstained from, and exactly what makes them a serious contender: a truly GREAT power hitter. If he remains a Dodger after this season, I will be extremely happy. One more Dodger prediction: Andruw Jones will be released in November.

I also see the same thing with the Angels... I have a feeling they will absolutely sign Teixeira if he's huge for them down the stretch and in the playoffs (very likely, and I had them winning the WS even BEFORE that trade), because he is exactly what that team needs, and will help keep the in contention for years to come.

However... if either or both of these teams fail to resign these guys, I see the Mets as the leading player in both.

I also see Sabathia going to Chicago... to the Sox. And I feel that Sheets is almost guaranteed to end up a Yankee. The Dodgers and Phils could also be contenders for Sheets.

K-Rod will go to the Tigers or Mets, or resign with the Angels.

Delgado's option will be declined and he will end up with the Yankees, Tigers, White Sox, Angels or Blue Jays (again). Jim Thome is declined and also ends up with one of those teams (except the Sox), or ends up with the Indians again.

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Originally Posted by oriole^

Of course, the fact that we are speaking of a single team out of 30 picking up one of the top five players available - All-Stars or very near - through monetary means as a matter of course pretty much proves the point I was making earlier...y'know, the one where I was told how wrong I was? :)

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Not really. Every year, people TALK about the Yankees being huge players for every big free agent. I heard people last year talking about the Yankees going after Torii Hunter, Carlos Silva, Mike Lowell, Andruw Jones, etc.

I also don't doubt that they'll sign one or two big free agents this year. They do sign big free agents, and nobody's said otherwise. They don't pluck the top two or three free agents every single year though, and they aren't built only on free agent pick-ups, which is all I've said in the other thread.

I see Ben Sheets as a Yankee.

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Originally Posted by Frijolito

I see Ben Sheets as a Yankee.

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Possible!

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Originally Posted by Pavelb1

On the Red Sox Newsgroup, a poster proposed this possible Yankee line-up for 2009 after a number of FA signings, and not signing others such as Mussina and Giambi.

"Their lineup could be:
LF Damon
SS Jeter
RF Ramirez
3b Rodriguez
1b Teixeira
DH Posada
2b Cano
C Molina
CF Cabrera

Their rotation could be:
SP Sabathia
SP Wang
SP Sheets
SP Pettitte
SP Chamberlain

Their bullpen could include, at the back end, Marte, KRod, and
Rivera."

Now only three of their nine batters are under 33. And I did some simulations....now OF COURSE BM is not going rate these people as they are irl,... but essentially the defensive liabilites of the fielders are hurting what looks like a great starting pitching staff, on paper, too much. And...as today...any injuries are going to devestate that line-up. They allready have a couple of black-holes in Molina and Cabrera.

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Sorry, i only read this first post, not the other 5 pages. This is F'IN hillarious!! Hey, take the top 5 or so FA's and lets play make-pretend that our favorite team gets them all!! Lets insert them onto the Red Sox. Or how bout the Rays, or even the Mets, Dodgers or Indians. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh yea, Sheets, and Sabathia, and Texiera, and Manny are all gonna becoe Yankees. Right............................................

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Originally Posted by Frijolito

I see Ben Sheets as a Yankee.

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

Oh yea, Sheets, and Sabathia, and Texiera, and Manny are all gonna becoe Yankees. Right............................................

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Okay. Sheets is like the Brett Favre for the Brewers, either he'll re-sign or test the market and then re-sign;

Sabathia isn't guarrenteed a Yankee either. Remember last year they wouldn't pony up $26 million a year to Santana, so why would they to CC. I've heard that the Yank's GM, wants to have a payroll under or about $200 million for next year, so even if they rid themselves of Mussina and Giambi and maybe Abreu and Pavano, that would leave very little for resigning the top stars.

I don't see Texeria becoming a Yankee either, because the Angels will re-sign him and maybe K-Rod, but let go the aged vets[ ie Anderson & Matthews]

Manny will retire a Dodger, if Torre has anything to say about it. Why let him go back east when they could use his veteran leadership in LA.
Am I predicting a LA Angels/LA Dodgers World Series, no, but here are always possibilities.[like a Houston Astros/Texas Rangers WS]

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Originally Posted by mnstonecold

Okay. Sheets is like the Brett Favre for the Brewers, either he'll re-sign or test the market and then re-sign;

Sabathia isn't guarrenteed a Yankee either. Remember last year they wouldn't pony up $26 million a year to Santana, so why would they to CC. I've heard that the Yank's GM, wants to have a payroll under or about $200 million for next year, so even if they rid themselves of Mussina and Giambi and maybe Abreu and Pavano, that would leave very little for resigning the top stars.

I don't see Texeria becoming a Yankee either, because the Angels will re-sign him and maybe K-Rod, but let go the aged vets[ ie Anderson & Matthews]

Manny will retire a Dodger, if Torre has anything to say about it. Why let him go back east when they could use his veteran leadership in LA.
Am I predicting a LA Angels/LA Dodgers World Series, no, but here are always possibilities.[like a Houston Astros/Texas Rangers WS]

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LOL...he said 'veteran leadership' and Manny in the same paragraph.

"Ok..main. Thees is how you hold out for a better contract"