Ryan Ludwick > Aaron CookQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
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Ryan Ludwick > Aaron CookQuote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
possible, but Cook has been great as well.
I think Cook may even deserve a few Cy Young votes. However, i suppose Ludwick may contend for MVP
Cook's been good, but not great.
If Lee falls apart, does Mussina have a chance at the Cy Young?
It'd take a falling apart of epic proportions from Lee....Quote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
I would not say Mussina is Cy Young worthy yet
I don't really see any clear contender in the NL. Wood performed modestly last year, so he's out. Edmonds has a low batting average, and non-exciting HR totals, so I think he's out. And who else? Ankiel would be kind of confusing, because he was never, like, anywhere as a hitter. I think Tatis is pretty high up there when you consider it.
Lee or Mussina should win in the AL, and I'm preferring Mussina at this point.
On a related note- a few people considered Eric Hinske. ERIC HINSKE? ERIC FREAKIN' HINSKE? :D
Why Mussina? Lee is obviously the better choice
Moose will probably get some votes anyways, but Lee should win it running away.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
Ankiel definitely doesn't work, because he's doing pretty much the same thing he was doing last season. It's like saying Josh Hamilton should be. Both are great stories (except for the possible 'roids aspect of Ankiel), but neither defines "comeback player" because they were never *there* and then *gone*.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
I actually agree a lot with what you say... however, I'd still lean toward Edmonds. I'm not sure his time in San Diego would be counted, even though it was this season. That's what's dragging his BA down. But he's slugging around .600 right now, with 14 HR in 58 games with the Cubs, and aside from stats, he's gone from 2 straight seasons of lousiness and being almost completely forgotten, back to being one of the best CFs out there. If he plays even above average for the rest of the season, his numbers will average out and it'll look more apparent, stats-wise.
You're right about Wood, but it has more to do with his being healthy for an entire season for once (aside from the minor injury recently) than anything. Plus he went from a short relief role to the closer role, which gives him a boost.
I guess the more I think about it, I'd put Tatis second at the moment, given that he gets down the stretch and keeps up what he's doing (a little iffy, he's a career .250ish hitter), but he's been more or less out of MLB for around 6 years, so it's hard to argue.
I think my reasoning for Edmonds is what I stated above, and it has to be considered that he used to be a perennial top-3 CF, at times possibly #1 or #2, was a key player for a team with plenty of playoff success and a championship, where Tatis really only ever had one truly great season.
Why do people keep saying Hamilton and Ankiel. I'm pretty sure one of them won it last year and the other would have. You can't comeback from a comeback year.
Neither won it last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
Dmitri Young and Carlos Pena.
Really? But still, if they were going to win it, it should have been last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
I think it was repeated more as "Huh? No way..." than it was as actual suggestions.Quote:
Originally Posted by gosensgo101
I brought Hamilton up twice as an example of who should NOT get the award.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
You usually will go against anything Yankee, to the point of calling Jeter and Rivera mediocre, yet you think a Yankee should win an award that MUCH BETTER fits a non-Yankee? :confused:
You really should look things up before laughing at what other people say.Quote:
On a related note- a few people considered Eric Hinske. ERIC HINSKE? ERIC FREAKIN' HINSKE? :D
Well, isn't that what the Comeback award is for? It goes to guys that miss one season to injury and come back at the same level as they were before, it should go to guys who've missed huge chunks of a lot of seasons as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
Eric Hinske= 16 HR, .247 BA!
Not CPOTY material
You really need to stop focusing so much on those two statistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
He went .204/.317/.398, 83 OPS+, 6 HR, 21 RBI, 186 at bats, last year.
This year, he's on pace for .247/.340/.484, 120 OPS+, 23 HR, 71 RBI, 417 AB. That's a good comeback. If Cliff Lee wasn't around, he'd be a nice choice.
I'm really interested in why you'd take Mussina over Lee though...especially considering your irrational Yankee hatred.
cuz Mussina is performing now similar to how he performs normally, Lee only performed at his current performance level for a couple of seasons, Mussina always was an amazing pitcher.
That's debatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
He does pitch half his games in a drastically hitter favoring park, even with the humidor. Ludwick's been very impressive this season, but it's important to remember that he has so many RBI's because of a certain someone who gets on base in front him quite often.
:confused: None of that matters for this award.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Yep, I know. His 3.87 ERA comes out to a 120 ERA+. Oliver Perez's nearly identical 3.90 ERA comes to a 105 ERA+. 120 is very good, but not quite "great."Quote:
Originally Posted by GregCujo
I know. I never include RBI has a measure of evaluation. He's hit .306/.383/.607, 157 OPS+.Quote:
Ludwick's been very impressive this season, but it's important to remember that he has so many RBI's because of a certain someone who gets on base in front him quite often.
It's not strictly for injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I was laying out the cases for Edmonds, Wood and Tatis. Wood was healthy for a fair deal of last season, and as metsguy pointed out, he did pitch rather well, so for him it's all about reliability and upgrading to a more important role. It's little to do with actual performance. Wood was always good, and he may have played too much of last season to be considered a true comeback, especially when you stack him up against Edmonds.
With Edmonds, it's the opposite... it has nothing to do with injury, and everything to do with a former top-tier CF turning into garbage for two years, then suddenly having a rebirth and returning to the form of his STL days, when he was a meaningful and important player on a great team.
I think that's huge... the story, the return from obscurity (and being run out of two towns in less than a year) to once again being a key component of a potentially very successful team.
And I think Tatis being practically nonexistent in terms of the MLB for 6 years and showing signs of being the player he was for that one season even LONGER ago is also a major comeback, but will depend on how he plays until October and possibly beyond.
Three very different stories, a pretty close race, but my vote (as of now, still lots of baseball left) goes to Edmonds, then Tatis, then Wood.
Okay, misunderstood you, I think. I wasn't disagreeing with your choice.
okay Gabe Kapler, Salmon Torres tie.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
Kapler's actually an interesting candidate, although it'd be better if he had more playing time rather than spot starts, pinch hitting, and defensive replacements.
Out of playing, coaching in the minor leagues, and back at a solid performance level a year later.
Has any thought about Jorge Cantu for comeback player of the year?
Might sneak his way into the contention.
fernando tatis ;)
Cantu's definitely a candidate.