Who do you think will win this year? I think Fernando Tatis will get it in the NL, but I'm not sure about the AL. What do you guys think?
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Who do you think will win this year? I think Fernando Tatis will get it in the NL, but I'm not sure about the AL. What do you guys think?
Moose maybe?
EDIT: Or, Cliff Lee.
Tatis hasn't played enough for me to consider him, yet, so he depends on the final 2 months of the season. Jim Edmonds, Kerry Wood, and Rick Ankiel are all candidates. If Rich Harden plays out the rest of the season at a similar pace to what he's done so far, I think it's him in a landslide, even though he started off the season in the AL.
I think Cliff Lee really has to be the runaway winner in the AL, although other candidates include Jason Giambi (for a second time!), Eric Hinske, JD Drew, Ervin Santana and Mike Mussina.
Gabe Gross.
Roger Clemens.
Reed Johnson in the NL maybe
In the AL, Eric Hinske sounds like a possibility.
Aubrey Huff having an incredible year for the Orioles.
I see the Comeback Award going to a guy that missed a whole lot of time to injury or was rather ineffective the prior year, and Huff doesn't fit that.Quote:
Originally Posted by suppitty
I don't think Cliff Lee can LOSE this award. In the minors this time last year, and now the easy favorite for the Cy Young? If that's not the Comeback Player of the Year, I don't know what is.
This is Mussina's award to win. And yeah, I guess you're right HGM, now that I check out the stats, Wood looks like a good option in the NL.
Mussina had a pretty poor year last year, but, he still pitched for basically the entire season. Cliff Lee threw 97 innings, going 5-8 with a 6.29 ERA and went down to AAA for an extended period of time. And now, he's the easy Cy Young favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
I'm honestly surprised by you saying it's Mussina's award to win, given your intense hatred of the Yankees...especially considering there's another non-Yankee that's clearly the better choice...
Well, I just don't think that someone should be,like, sweeping the awards. Unless that someone is named John Maine :D
I really hope Cliff Lee falls apart.
So you suggest giving an award to a player who isn't as deserving to win it?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
If he is the best player for the awards, who cares? And how is winning Cy Young and Comeback Player of the Year "sweeping the awards"? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
Because he is outperforming a member of dannymac's favorite team (Mike Mussina) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Potential MVP?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I don't think he has any chance of winning the MVP. Josh Hamilton's got RBI's and a good story.Quote:
Originally Posted by etothep
He better not win MVP!:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by etothep
Even if it turns out that he was the player that provided the most value to his team?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Good thing for Hamilton that those are the top 2 stats that writers look atQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
His team in last place?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
The performance of a player's teammates does not change the value that player provided.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
As of right now, I think Lee is up in the short-list of AL MVP candidates. It's him, A-Rod, Kinsler, Sizemore, Hamilton, and Quentin. If I had to pick today, I think I might pick Lee, but, the rest of the season will determine it.
A-Rod and Kinsler aren't that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
The only thing I can say to that is....LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Kinsler is okay, but 15 HR, .319 AVG isn't an MVP to me.
A-Rod is having a weak season this year.
That's because you're failing to look beyond two stats. Ian Kinsler is batting .319 with a .378 on-base percentage and a .506 slugging percentage. His OPS+ is 134. He has 39 doubles. He has 26 steals in 27 attempts. He's scored 97 runs, 15 more than anybody else in the AL.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
And what you're really failing to account for is the fact that he's a SECOND BASEMEN, and that kind of production out of a second basemen is EXTREMELY valuable.
Again...LOL.Quote:
A-Rod is having a weak season this year.
.315/.402/.599, 26 HR, 70 RBI, 16 SB (2 CS).
Yeah, REAL weak. :rolleyes:
Comeback means that his last season was cut short or just sucked.Quote:
As of right now, I think Lee is up in the short-list of AL MVP candidates. It's him, A-Rod, Kinsler, Sizemore, Hamilton, and Quentin. If I had to pick today, I think I might pick Lee, but, the rest of the season will determine it.
Kinsler, Sizemore, and A-Rod all played full seasons last year and had ok numbers. Quentin played bench so he really doesnt count because this year is his first full time starting year. Mussina doesnt count because he pitched his first bad year in ages, but he came back to norm this year. Not really a comeback.
The 2 comeback players in the AL are: Cliff Lee (major surgery) or Josh Hamilton. They are really the only 2 players who came back. I would of thought Liriano would be here, but I have a feeling he is going to end up average anyway.
Heh. That was for MVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by grasshopper
I'd say Cliff Lee is the logical choice for comeback player. If Mussina hits 20 wins, he might be my emotional choice.
Ah but since when is the MVP about 'value' to a team ?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I think Josh Hamilton is AL comeback player of the year, he is phenominal after being away from the game so long.
Cliff Lee in the AL, Ryan Ludwick in the NL
So far...
I'd also go with Lee in the AL. Mike Mussina is a very close second.
In the NL, there's no doubt it's going to Jim Edmonds if he plays even half-decent the rest of the way. I think he will, though I know he's not going to keep slugging .600 for the Cubs. Kerry Wood might be the guy if Edmonds returns to sucking.
Josh Hamilton does not qualify as "comeback" for this season, because he had a good season last season. Many of the players I'm seeing listed here don't qualify at all. This isn't "most improved player" award, it's a comeback player award. Ryan Ludwick? That makes zero sense. Maybe the "coming out of nowhere" award, but comeback player? Huh??
Yeah, I guess Wood or Edmonds makes more sense.
As m4rk6 said, I was discussing the MVP in that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by grasshopper
For the comeback, I've already stated, Cliff Lee should be the runaway winner.
Quienten did not play bench, he got hurt
He spent the later part of the season in the minors both for poor play and rehabs. He was sent down for a month before the injury. After that, he was injured on and off, but essentially was also "on the bench" because Upton took the starting job.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
How does Conor Jackson sound for comeback player? He was never bad, but has done well this year
He hit .284/.368/.467 with 15 HR and 60 RBI in 130 games last year. This year, he's on pace to hit .311/.390/487 with 17 HR and 85 RBI. He's improved, but that's expected from a guy entering his mid-late-20's. The Comeback award should go to a guy that was either injured the year prior, really ineffective, or barely played in the majors for a number of other reasons (like with Carlos Pena from 2006 to 2007). It shouldn't go to a guy that's just...naturally progressing upward.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
It should be renamed to the Andres Galarraga Award.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Good point. If there was a break out player award, I would give it to Carlos Queintin in the AL, and Aaron Cook in the NL