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I suppose, now that I think about it, Kuroda has a very good case for ROTY, so I may vote for him. How will we handle Japanese vets? I'd guess we're allowed to vote for them and it will be the discretion of the voters at large, as some may choose not to vote for a foreign vet for ROTY.
They're handled just as they are in real life. They're rookies.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
Why is that obviously BS?Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
:rolleyes: Because it's all Dodgers? And because Andre Ethier is clearly not the MVP by any definition? And same for Chad Billingsley being the Cy Young?Quote:
Originally Posted by boa
Anyway, I think I need to make this clear, because I've been getting some votes already, heh, VOTING HAS NOT BEGUN. There's still 3 weeks left to the season, and that must be counted for in the voting.
Well, Billingsley is certainly a top 10 candidate, maybe even cracking the top 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
But definitely not the #1.
Yeah, though, those are obviously BS votes. Kent for a GG? Two players with 66 and 98 games played, (Berroa, DeWitt) respectively, for GGs?
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
Well, I'll probably vote all Tigers. Don't throw away my ballot.
Why must you be purposefully difficult?Quote:
Originally Posted by boa
I guess I was wrong in assuming that people would have enough decency to vote with as little bias as possible.
I've editted the number of slots on the ballot for each award.
The MVP award has a 10 slot ballot, corresponding to real life. A first place vote is worth 14 points, 2nd place is 9 points, 3rd place is 8, and so on down to 10th place being 1 point.
The Cy Young and Rookie of the Year award now have 3 slot ballots, as in real life. A first place vote is 5 points, a second place vote 3, and a third place vote 1. The same structure is in effect for each other 3-ballot award, which is every award except for the MVP.
I think Cabrerra is probably mvp, and galaraga is ROY. I will make cases for both of these with my ballots.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
My predictions right now i would say are
Cy Young: AL: Cliff Lee NL: Tim Lincecum
MVP: AL: Josh Hamilton NL: Albert Pujols
ROY: AL: Evan Longoria NL: Geavony Soto
Fair enough. As long as your ENTIRE BALLOT isn't Tigers, and the first place vote for each award isn't a Tiger. That's the sort of thing that I'd really like not to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by boa
Can someone remind me...what are the rules about rookies? What I mean is...how many previous innings/at bats does a player need to have had in a season for it to officially be his rookie year?
I know it's 50 IP
130 at-bats, 50 innings pitched or 45 days on the active roster of a major league club (excluding time on the disabled list) before September 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
Any player over any of those thresholds is no longer a rookie.
Excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Pretty fair predictions. I agree with all (so far, as predictions), except NL ROY, which could come down to Soto and Kuroda for me, depending on how the rest of the season goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthJaker
Also AL MVP... I'm not even sure Josh Hamilton is more MVP-worthy than Milton Bradley. Bradley has some sick SABR ratings.
But I'm thinking ARod, Lee, possibly Sizemore, Quentin, Dye, Bradley, maybe Youk...
Aubrey Huff is getting very much overlooked this season, by the way.
Bradley isn't close to Hamilton, and a number of other candidates, for two reasons...1) Zero defensive value and 2) He's missed a lot of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
Right now, my order probably goes Sizemore, Lee, Mauer, A-Rod, Pedroia, Quentin, Youk...or so.Quote:
But I'm thinking ARod, Lee, possibly Sizemore, Quentin, Dye, Bradley, maybe Youk..
I also think Soto is the clear NL Rookie of the Year candidate. .290/.368/.509, 21 HR, 80 RBI, 124 OPS+, good fielding, at catcher...There's actually a couple pitchers that I'd place above Kuroda...Jair Jurrjens without doubt, and John Lannan is arguable.
Hamilton's raw numbers are great. But Bradley puts that team on another level. If the Rangers had any sort of pitching whatsoever, they'd be competing for a wild card spot right now. They'd be close to Boston and Tampa Bay. I think it's even between the 2 as "MVP" right now. I know Bradley's missed time... I wouldn't consider either the MVP. But Bradley is worth noting, because it's the Bradley that is actually living up to his upside. He's an exciting player when he plays like he does this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
If I had to pick an order right now, I'd say, A-Rod, Quentin, Lee, Sizemore, Huff, Morneau, Dye, Halladay, Youk, Mauer. Maybe Bradley and Hamilton on the bubble. Lots of good players in the AL this season. No STANDOUT guy like Pujols. Even Berkman would be possibly winning an AL MVP if he played there. That's how good Pujols is. The AL is going to be an interesting MVP vote in real life and here.Quote:
Right now, my order probably goes Sizemore, Lee, Mauer, A-Rod, Pedroia, Quentin, Youk...or so.
If we go by what the mainstream media's been saying, the NL is going to be an "interesting" vote as well, and that's really sad, because Albert Pujols is clearly above and beyond everybody else. He's so good that he's taken for granted. Nobody is even close to Pujols in the NL this season. Yet there's silly talk about Carlos Delgado winning the NL MVP? What?
It's ridiculous. I hear Ryan Howard and Lance Berkman and David Wright... even Lee or Soriano.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Pujols
(huge gap)
Berkman
(tiny gap)
A-Rod
(tiny gap)
Everyone else
Pujols is the best hitter in baseball, period. By like, a mile. He's the best hitter of this decade, even (Bonds can have the 90s).
It's because the MVP doesn't go to the MVP. The media tries to force it by choosing the best player from the best team, and that just does not work, because sometimes, the best team doesn't have any particularly amazing players, but instead, consists of a well-rounded very good team, like the Cubs. I'm so sick of the media trying to force a Cub to be the MVP. I've seen arguments made on TV for Alfonso Soriano, Aramis Ramirez, Geovany Soto, and even one ridiculous one for Ryan Dempster. It's really silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
Just because the Cardinals aren't in contention anymore doesn't mean that Albert Pujols isn't the most valuable player in the league. Because he is.
This is where I think "contention" shouldn't even be considered. Although, even that would work into Pujols' favor, because that team could win either of the other divisions, and they're playing in baseball's best division. Without him, that team has 20 fewer wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Hm, just curious, you think that the NL Central is the best division in baseball?Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
I think "award" has to go to the AL East, particularly once you account for the difference in league difficult (the NL being the easier league).
Pujols isn't hitting for power this year. Ryan Howard, David Wright, Adam Dunn, Carlos Delgado, Hanley Ramirez, Chase Utley, those are some MVP candidates...
Uh....WHAT? Oh, I forgot, he's just leading the majors in slugging percentage by over 50 pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Ryan Howard, despite his home run and RBI numbers, isn't having a particularly good year. Wright's a candidate, but not better than Pujols. Dunn is underrated, but poor defensively, and not in the discussion. Ramirez and Utley are in the discussion, but a step below Pujols.Quote:
Ryan Howard, David Wright, Adam Dunn, Carlos Delgado, Hanley Ramirez, Chase Utley, those are some MVP candidates...
Carlos Delgado? This is the talk that's irking me more than anything else when it comes to the MVP discussion. People cite his numbers since a certain date....HELLO, the first part of the season counts too.
Carlos Delgado is batting .261/.346/.504 (123 OPS+) with 33 HR and 100 RBI. He doesn't play good defense. Albert Pujols is batting .359/.466/.649 (191 OPS+) with 32 HR and 95 RBI. He plays phenomenal defense. Pujols beats him by nearly 100 points in batting average, over 100 points in on-base percentage, and almost 150 points in slugging percentage. Delgado can't hold Pujols's jockstrap. There is no way to twist the numbers to put Delgado ahead of Pujols. It's just not possible.
It's pretty hard to argue which league is better, since inter league play is over a tiny period of the season.
There's other ways, like comparing how players fare when they switch leagues. Most players experience a boost in their stats when moving from the AL to the NL, and vice versa. I think the talent gap is closing, but for the past few years, the AL has been far superior, and despite interleague play being a tiny part of the season, the AL has dominated the NL every year for a few years now, and that's a pretty significant sample size. Since 2005, the AL is 576-432 in interleague play.Quote:
Originally Posted by boa
About once every three months I'll go through and unstick threads unless their still... relevant, Is the best way to put it I guess. It makes the ones that stay more noticeable, and in my opinion it makes reading normal threads easier.
Pujols is batting .359? I didn't know that, and I didn't know he had 32 HRs...
This is why you should do at least a tiny bit of research before making statements and disagreeing with people...Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
My list so far:
AL MVP:
1. Josh Hamilton
2. Justin Morneau
3. Mark Teixeira
4. Carlos Quentin
5. Alex Rodriguez
6. Kevin Youkilis
7. Miguel Cabrera
8. Dustin Pedroia
9. Jason Bay
10. Jermaine Dye
NL MVP:
1. Albert Pujols
2. David Wright
3. Carlos Lee
4. Lance Berkman
5. Carlos Delgado
6. Ryan Braun
7. Chase Utley
8. Chipper Jones
9. Ryan Ludwick
10. Adam Dunn
AL Cy Young:
1. Cliff Lee
2. Roy Halladay
3. Mike Mussina
4. AJ Burnett
5. Daisuke Matsuzaka
6. Ervin Santana
7. Jon Lester
8. James Shields
9. Joe Saunders
10. Zack Greinke
NL Cy Young
1. Tim Lincecum
2. CC Sabathia
3. Brandon Webb
4. Edison Voulquez
5. Chad Billingsley
6. Johan Santana
7. Dan Haren
8. Jake Peavy
9. Rich Harden
10. Ben Sheets
Mark Teixeira is your #3 for AL MVP with 37 games played (in the AL)? Granted, he's killing the ball.
That brings to mind what you do with candidates who switch leagues like Teixeira and C.C. Sabathia.
And Jason Bay is #9.Quote:
Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP
And Grady Sizemore and Cliff Lee are nowhere to be found. :(
Since the awards are for each individual league, you assess them based on their performance in that league.Quote:
That brings to mind what you do with candidates who switch leagues like Teixeira and C.C. Sabathia.
Whatever league they finish in is what I consider them for the year. That's why Jason Bay is in there. I also refuse to put pitchers in the MVP voting.
That's what I would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Cliff Lee should be on no one's MVP ballot.
If Mark Teixeira can't win the NL MVP then I count his complete 2008 stats towards the AL MVP.
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Originally Posted by boa
Both of these statements break the rules of the MVP award. Like it or not, the MVP award is for the most valuable PLAYER, and pitchers are players too, and can be more valuable than position players. Cliff Lee (and arguably Roy Halladay) is easily in the top 10 players in the AL in terms of value.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
I understand the sentiment that "pitchers have their own award", and if it's your opinion that pitchers shouldn't be eligible for the MVP, thereby changing the MVP to the MVPP that's fine, but until the award definitions are changed, pitchers are eligible, and should be considered.
Teixeira can win the NL MVP, nothing in the rules says he can't. However, the AL MVP award is an AL award. What he does in the NL has no relevance to the AL.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
It's just baseball. I don't think the league effects how good a player is.
Well, it certainly does when it comes to how good his statistics are, because the players a player plays against affect how good he does...but...that's beside the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
The AL MVP award is for the player in the American League that provided the most value (however you want to define value, that's up to you). If a player played half the season in the National League, what he did in that time does not count towards the value he provided while in the American League.