It's pretty hard to argue which league is better, since inter league play is over a tiny period of the season.
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It's pretty hard to argue which league is better, since inter league play is over a tiny period of the season.
There's other ways, like comparing how players fare when they switch leagues. Most players experience a boost in their stats when moving from the AL to the NL, and vice versa. I think the talent gap is closing, but for the past few years, the AL has been far superior, and despite interleague play being a tiny part of the season, the AL has dominated the NL every year for a few years now, and that's a pretty significant sample size. Since 2005, the AL is 576-432 in interleague play.Quote:
Originally Posted by boa
About once every three months I'll go through and unstick threads unless their still... relevant, Is the best way to put it I guess. It makes the ones that stay more noticeable, and in my opinion it makes reading normal threads easier.
Pujols is batting .359? I didn't know that, and I didn't know he had 32 HRs...
This is why you should do at least a tiny bit of research before making statements and disagreeing with people...Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
My list so far:
AL MVP:
1. Josh Hamilton
2. Justin Morneau
3. Mark Teixeira
4. Carlos Quentin
5. Alex Rodriguez
6. Kevin Youkilis
7. Miguel Cabrera
8. Dustin Pedroia
9. Jason Bay
10. Jermaine Dye
NL MVP:
1. Albert Pujols
2. David Wright
3. Carlos Lee
4. Lance Berkman
5. Carlos Delgado
6. Ryan Braun
7. Chase Utley
8. Chipper Jones
9. Ryan Ludwick
10. Adam Dunn
AL Cy Young:
1. Cliff Lee
2. Roy Halladay
3. Mike Mussina
4. AJ Burnett
5. Daisuke Matsuzaka
6. Ervin Santana
7. Jon Lester
8. James Shields
9. Joe Saunders
10. Zack Greinke
NL Cy Young
1. Tim Lincecum
2. CC Sabathia
3. Brandon Webb
4. Edison Voulquez
5. Chad Billingsley
6. Johan Santana
7. Dan Haren
8. Jake Peavy
9. Rich Harden
10. Ben Sheets
Mark Teixeira is your #3 for AL MVP with 37 games played (in the AL)? Granted, he's killing the ball.
That brings to mind what you do with candidates who switch leagues like Teixeira and C.C. Sabathia.
And Jason Bay is #9.Quote:
Originally Posted by BINGLEBOP
And Grady Sizemore and Cliff Lee are nowhere to be found. :(
Since the awards are for each individual league, you assess them based on their performance in that league.Quote:
That brings to mind what you do with candidates who switch leagues like Teixeira and C.C. Sabathia.
Whatever league they finish in is what I consider them for the year. That's why Jason Bay is in there. I also refuse to put pitchers in the MVP voting.
That's what I would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Cliff Lee should be on no one's MVP ballot.
If Mark Teixeira can't win the NL MVP then I count his complete 2008 stats towards the AL MVP.
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Originally Posted by boa
Both of these statements break the rules of the MVP award. Like it or not, the MVP award is for the most valuable PLAYER, and pitchers are players too, and can be more valuable than position players. Cliff Lee (and arguably Roy Halladay) is easily in the top 10 players in the AL in terms of value.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
I understand the sentiment that "pitchers have their own award", and if it's your opinion that pitchers shouldn't be eligible for the MVP, thereby changing the MVP to the MVPP that's fine, but until the award definitions are changed, pitchers are eligible, and should be considered.
Teixeira can win the NL MVP, nothing in the rules says he can't. However, the AL MVP award is an AL award. What he does in the NL has no relevance to the AL.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
It's just baseball. I don't think the league effects how good a player is.
Well, it certainly does when it comes to how good his statistics are, because the players a player plays against affect how good he does...but...that's beside the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
The AL MVP award is for the player in the American League that provided the most value (however you want to define value, that's up to you). If a player played half the season in the National League, what he did in that time does not count towards the value he provided while in the American League.