I remember him as a Dodger......
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I remember him as a Dodger......
He spent like the same amount of time basically with both teams but had a better run as a Dodger which is probably what he'll go in as.
I had originally voted for "No Team", but I'm starting to shift towards the Dodgers. I don't think he ASKED to be moved out of LA, so I don't see why he would have an issue going in as a Dodger. He was traded...it happens...he doesn't really strike me as a guy who's going to hold a grudge. And, yeah, the Dodgers gave him a shot, and let him get his chance.
All Time, I would say the Catcher list is:Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
1.Bench
2Berra
3.Piazza
4.Carter
5.Dickey
When I was Metsguy234's age, Piazza was in second grade, but I don't think of him as a second grader. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Lol.....
Seriously- who doubted that Piazza will go to the HOF??? He is the best player within the past twenty years (twenty years ago was near the end of Fisk and Carter's careers) at his position, almost unarguably (unless you create a killer argument for Ivan "The Traitor" Rodriguez).
Piazza's legacy is great, and he was a great team player and fan favorite.Sadly, some opposing fans(read:The Stankee Bandwagon: AKA Yankee Fans) said ridiculous and mean things about him (spreading rumors that he was gay, not that being gay is bad, but it wasn't true...), and it must suck to have to go through people who basically know nothing about you to be saying ridiculous and incredibly stupid things about you.
Actually, I'm fairly sure that it's not a lock. He's hardly going to get 100% of the vote on the first ballot that he's on.
Why is this so important to you, anyway?
Well, no one gets 100%. Seaver came the closest, but we can't help but ask: Who thought Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Cal Ripken, Tony Gwynn, Yogi Berra, Mickey Mantle, Stan Musial, etc. weren't Hall of fame worthy?Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
And it is important because Piazza was my hero when I was a kid. Do you really think he does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?
You can easily create an argument that Ivan Rodriguez was a more valuable overall player than Mike Piazza.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Kinda sounds familiar, doesn't it? :rolleyes:Quote:
Sadly, some opposing fans(read:The Stankee Bandwagon: AKA Yankee Fans) said ridiculous and mean things about him (spreading rumors that he was gay, not that being gay is bad, but it wasn't true...), and it must suck to have to go through people who basically know nothing about you to be saying ridiculous and incredibly stupid things about you.
Mike Piazza is completely deserving of the Hall of Fame, and he'll make it in.
That's why I think he'll go in as a Dodger too. Drafting him as the LAST player in the 1988 draft and him having the career he had would be like drafting a 53/59 scrub in the 6th round of Baseball Mogul and turning into a superstar. It's really unbelievable when you think about that more, especially since they don't even have 62 rounds of the draft anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
I think he'll go in as a Met.
Dodger
Thru most of their careers, I would have agreed that Piazza was clearly better than Rodriguez, but in the end it's going to be closer than I though it would be, simply because I-Rod, taking his career as a whole, became a lot better hitter than I thought he'd be. I still think Piazza rates an edge, but it's closer than I thought it would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Not sure that Nomo would agree that Piazza was a great team player.
Gotta disagree with ohm's--Piazza is a lock, unless he decides to follow Pete
Rose's footsteps.
I-Rod's going into the Hall, too. Neither one will break Seaver's record for percentage of the vote.
I voted no for Piazza. Remember Sosa, Clemens, Bonds & Piazza will all be first timers the same year. It's a tired argument I know. But the big steriod cloud hanging over his name leads me to believe he won't get in. At least not for awhile. And having those three guys as 1st timers as well will only magnify it. Also in my opinion he should go in as a Dodger if he makes it.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
The big steroid cloud hanging over his name??
That's what I was wondering...Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
His name has not been involved with any steroid rumors...so, if anything, being on a ballot with Clemens, Bonds, and Sosa (who, also, by the way, has never been connected to steroids in any remote way at all) will only serve to INCREASE his vote totals. As stupid as that sounds, that's how the BBWAA functions.
Agree, i dont understand that comment at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Piazza is on the ballot w 2 guys w HUGE steroid clouds,
the other simply had a lot of rumor following him about it, as i recall.
If anything that should help Piazza ALOT not hurt him.
As for the dodger met thing, it really could go either way.
The only evidence against Sosa is a) he got big and b) he hit a lot of home runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
There's been nothing connecting him with any steroid dealers...not even anything connecting him with any of the players that were big into the steroid stuff like Jose Canseco. There's literally nothing against him that we know of, and yet, everybody lumps him in with the known steroid users and the steroid users that have mountains of evidence against them...JUST because he bulked up and hit a lot of home runs...People don't care that such a thing IS possible without steroids.
It's a shame that a lot of people with natural talent (such as Sammy Sosa) who happened, through no fault of their own, to play in the 90s and early 2000s, now have dark rumor clouds hanging over their heads.
lol best player in the last 20 years. come on thats not even an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
how can u even THINK that
He said best player in the last 20 years AT HIS POSITION. I disagree (Ivan Rodriguez), but, it's not a crazy statement at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNamelessPoet
I don't think we should count Ivan Rodriguez though, because he did steroids.
There really is no evidence Pudge did roids, except for the fact many on his team were in the Mitchell report. I'm pretty sure Pudge wasn't. There is in fact as much CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence Piazza did roids as there is that Pudge did roids. After all, it was the Mets clubhouse trainer that spilled the most juice to the investigators.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Oh please. Most players did steroids during that era at one point or another. You can't discount any player. Whether or not they did steroids, what they did on the field still counted towards helping their team win, and when discussing who the best players are, that's all that should matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Jose Canseco claimed to have injected Pudge. There's more circumstantial evidence against Pudge than there is Piazza.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
Not only was Piazza a steriod user, he is also involved in organized crime. His dad is a high ranking figure in the mafia and it is well know that Piazza carried out some jobs for the mafia as well. The man is basically a ruthless thug who should be permaneltly banned from baseball. The man should not even be allowed to buy a ticket to the HOF.
Not only that, but I heard that he's a warlock. And not in the 'hey, I'm a disgruntled teen who wears all black, fear me' way, either, but an actual warlock. He put a hex on Willie Randolph. He also eats live kittens, and once, he stabbed a hooker just to watch her die.
As a Dodger fan, I have to say:
Mets.
He played longer there and made it to the World Series there.
I don't understand why people think it's *that* close an argument...
I think it's because he really did seem to love being a Dodger. He also put up better numbers on average in LA than he did in NY.
True...Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
I just think the success he had for the Mets means more than numbers. And that team wouldn't have been what it was without him. And I believe (though I have no way of knowing) he also loved being a Met, and I know New York loved him.
But yes, he did love L.A. as well, and the city and fans loved him. The trade is seen by many (including me) as the second worst trade in franchise history, to the trade of Pedro for Delino DeShields.
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
did piazza refuse to give you an autograph or sumptin ?
LOL ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Blast
and
Arod just invited him over to Madonna's place to try on shoes together.
Do some research. It is a known fact that Piazza has mafia ties. His dad tried to buy a MLB team and they rejected his bid because of his ties to the mafia. Later his dad with the mafia extorted MLB and they ended up having to pay him a huge sum of money. When you include his steriod use, Mafia ties and hypocricy as a catholic who is a homer sexual he has no chance. This guy would cheapen the whole HOF.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
These are all major stretches and rumors...Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
Maybe he rubbed out jimmy hoffa too ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
I heard Piazza has ties to Al Qaeda as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
as a met fan i would obviously like him in as a Met but,Quote:
Originally Posted by justanewguy
the counter is that he put up his AMAZING individual seasons
with the Dodgers, that the hall was already waiting for him,
and the time with the Mets merely solidified the case.
Well, he had amazing individual seasons with the Mets also, and 4 Silver Sluggers there. The numbers aren't nearly as good, but I'm thinking the success with the Mets means so, so much more. This guy was in two NLDS sweeps against the Dodgers, but made it to the NLCS in his first full season with the Mets, then to the World Series the year after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeetDaMets
When I think of Mike Piazza, I do think of how he was my favorite Dodger when I was a teenager, but more than that I think about the Subway Series, the Roger Clemens incidents, things like that. It's difficult even as a Dodger fan to view him as a Dodger, so the Hall of Fame thing is a little bit lost on me, to be honest...
Me, personally (this can't really be argued for or against, it's just how I feel), I simply see Mike Piazza as barely more of a Dodger than Strawberry, Sheffield, McGriff, Brown... he came up with the Dodgers and played better for the Dodgers, but to me he's just yet another superstar who wore the uniform but never was part of a successful season.
And if you look really, really deeply in to his past, it turns out that his REAL father (not the adoptive capo guy) was, in fact, a Dark Lord of the Sith! And one time, when he was 14, he tried asking this girl out, but she laughed at his hair, so he burned down the entire school with his psychic powers while it was full of students, then gorged himself on their souls when they died, because that's where his powers come from, since his real mother was the demonic overlord of the planet Dagrab'h!Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
Seriously, Frijolito, keep it coming...it's giving me a chance to stretch my creative muscles about as much as you're stretching yours.
Also, he was a guard at Auschwitz, and I think he was the guy on the grassy knoll in Dallas back in '63. Oh, and he makes kiddie porn, too.