Manny A Marlin?

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What are you talking about? Papi was running his heart out on that hit!

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an who thought the trade market was slow this year. LOL

only 18 more hours to go, can it get done?

I sincerely hope we get Bay. I'm a big Pirates fan (they're my #3 team, almost #2), and I've liked Bay for a long time.

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Originally Posted by dickay

Wow, bottom of 5th sox down by a run with 1 out and Big Papi loafs it to first. Total disrespect for the game and the team :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Seriously....no MLB player runs 100% on every ground ball. If you want to look at every at bat through a microscope of pessimism, you'll find what you're looking for.

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I'm not exactly sure what I've done to obviously pi$$ you off, but if you look at my posts through a microscope of antagonism, you'll find what you're looking for too.

And yes, ANYONE who loafs on a possible hit to break up a no-hitter is disrespecting the game. And ANYONE who loafs it to first in a 1-0 game is showing disrespect for his team.

It just so happens Manny did the former last night, and chose to not even play in a big game (even though, BTW, he's getting paid like a gazillion dollars to play).

I don't like Manny's attitude. You don't like mine. Fine, we'll both just have to deal with it.

In all seriousness (which is difficult here in the middle of watching the Angels play them), I think a deal involving Manny for Bay would be excellent for the Sox. I have a hard time believing that'll happen, simply because it would be so great. I don't think the Pirates are that cheap... but then, it is the Pirates...

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

I'm not exactly sure what I've done to obviously pi$$ you off, but if you look at my posts through a microscope of antagonism, you'll find what you're looking for too.

And yes, ANYONE who loafs on a possible hit to break up a no-hitter is disrespecting the game. And ANYONE who loafs it to first in a 1-0 game is showing disrespect for his team.

It just so happens Manny did the former last night, and chose to not even play in a big game (even though, BTW, he's getting paid like a gazillion dollars to play).

I don't like Manny's attitude. You don't like mine. Fine, we'll both just have to deal with it.

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I don't have issue with you at all. You're just being very critical of Manny...and I correctly pointed out that Ortiz, judging by your example, also loafed it. I"ve seen throughout the season Tek, Lowell, Ellsbury, Pedroia and every other sock turn off the burners while running to first on a ground ball. I agree Manny has had quite a few plays where criticism is deserving, and if you've formed an opinion of him that is fine. But that opinion, at least from what I see, blinds your ability to be fair and consistent and this post you made highlights that. I didn't see the play yesterday, but from what I heard Manny was out by a mile. Critique him for the stuff that deserves it, not for something that you don't critique every other major leaguer for, thats all i'm sayin.

I don't think Manny will be moving this trade deadline but there is a lot of talk going on right now.

I think getting Jason Bay back would be the best thing for them to do. And According to Jayson Stark the Dodgers contacted the Sox but said something along the lines of "Andruw Jones and prospects for Manny" and the Sox-Dodgers relations broke off.

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Originally Posted by ohms_law

In all seriousness (which is difficult here in the middle of watching the Angels play them), I think a deal involving Manny for Bay would be excellent for the Sox. I have a hard time believing that'll happen, simply because it would be so great. I don't think the Pirates are that cheap... but then, it is the Pirates...

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I actually just looked at Bays stats, and although historically he's NOT in Manny's league as far as offense goes, other than last year he's not been far off and he's having a stellar year this year. So...although I'd still like to see the Sox find a way to get a RP in the deal...Bay would be a nice replacement. I know he's a great clubhouse guy and the media loves him, he'd be a good fit.

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Originally Posted by dickay

I don't have issue with you at all. You're just being very critical of Manny...and I correctly pointed out that Ortiz, judging by your example, also loafed it. I"ve seen throughout the season Tek, Lowell, Ellsbury, Pedroia and every other sock turn off the burners while running to first on a ground ball. I agree Manny has had quite a few plays where criticism is deserving, and if you've formed an opinion of him that is fine. But that opinion, at least from what I see, blinds your ability to be fair and consistent and this post you made highlights that. I didn't see the play yesterday, but from what I heard Manny was out by a mile. Critique him for the stuff that deserves it, not for something that you don't critique every other major leaguer for, thats all i'm sayin.

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That's fair, but I have consistently posted examples all the time of players I see who loaf, and its not just Manny. I remember posting a while back about a game I was watching where with a man on first someone (can't remember who now) hit a pop-up to the infield. He was disgusted, threw his bat down and just walked toward first. The second baseman purposely dropped the ball, picked it up, threw to second (the man on first HAD to hold, it was a pop-up), then on to first to easily complete the double play because the batter was just trotting.

I've posted often about this because it is a pet peeve of mine. These guys (all of them) sometimes forget just how lucky they are. There are millions of guys that would sell their soul to play in the big leagues. And for the money they get paid, I don't think its too much to ask for them to run hard 4 or 5 times a night to first base.

This has ALWAYS been a pet peeve of mine. And I've seen Manny loaf to first, loaf after balls in left field, disrespect his teammates by not wanting to play in a big game, and have some brain fart moments too (though I don't hold those against him since we all have those) like when he made the "cut-off" on a throw in towards the infield. (A great diving catch too IIRC, LOL)

Personally, I think he and Bonds are two of the biggest jerks in recent memory. Yet both were gifted with enough ability they could've owned the world. It's sad really.

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Originally Posted by dickay

I actually just looked at Bays stats, and although historically he's NOT in Manny's league as far as offense goes, other than last year he's not been far off and he's having a stellar year this year. So...although I'd still like to see the Sox find a way to get a RP in the deal...Bay would be a nice replacement. I know he's a great clubhouse guy and the media loves him, he'd be a good fit.

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yeah, Bay isn't as good as Manny at his peak, but at this point in their respective careers, I'd say Bay is actually the more valuable overall player, due to similar offense and better defense.

Most recent chatter is that the they're discussing adding John Grabow to the deal, going to Boston, and Florida wants Boston to add in a prospect.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Florida wants Boston to add in a prospect.

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:eek: Jeez, Boston's offering to pay Manny's contract PLUS they want a prospect???? Man, if they get it, this shows how much Boston wants to be rid of him.

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That's fair, but I have consistently posted examples all the time of players I see who loaf, and its not just Manny. I remember posting a while back about a game I was watching where with a man on first someone (can't remember who now) hit a pop-up to the infield. He was disgusted, threw his bat down and just walked toward first. The second baseman purposely dropped the ball, picked it up, threw to second (the man on first HAD to hold, it was a pop-up), then on to first to easily complete the double play because the batter was just trotting.

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If this actually happen then the umpire was a complete *****. Its called an infield fly rule, and a double play should not have been possible here.

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Originally Posted by dickay

If this actually happen then the umpire was a complete *****. Its called an infield fly rule, and a double play should not have been possible here.

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There has to be two men on for an IF Fly. So the above mentioned umpire was completely right not a complete *****

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Originally Posted by dickay

If this actually happen then the umpire was a complete *****. Its called an infield fly rule, and a double play should not have been possible here.

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It did actually happen, and its not an infield fly rule unless there are men on first AND second OR the bases are loaded.

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

:eek: Jeez, Boston's offering to pay Manny's contract PLUS they want a prospect???? Man, if they get it, this shows how much Boston wants to be rid of him.

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Well, from what I've seen of Bays numbers, the Sox should do everything they can to make this happen. Grabow doesn't excite me much. Bays youth however, if the sox could add a B-level prospect and get this done they need to do it. I don't want to see a Bucholz, Bowden, Lowrie, Anderson or any other near ready top prospect included though...not unless they can get a top rank RP included.

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Originally Posted by filihok

There has to be two men on for an IF Fly. So the above mentioned umpire was completely right not a complete *****

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Well then, I stand corrected. I see why it wouldn't be an IF in this situation, but it seems kind of dumb that the defense can choose which runner they want on base by catching the ball or letting it drop. Getting a double play on something like this is pretty bad, the guy must have really been loafing and deserving of the criticism.

In the end, I personally don't feel what Ortiz did today or what every other MLB player does when jogging to first on a grounder, loafing. If fatguy does, thats fine as long as the criticism is consistent. It seems really picky to go after something like that, thats all I was saying.;)

LOL, wow it was LAST YEAR. LOL I was thinking "awhile ago". LOL

Oh well, it was last year, no wonder I had a hard time finding it.

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=152268

EDIT: And, btw, I misremembered exactly how they got the DP, but they got the DP.

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

LOL, wow it was LAST YEAR. LOL I was thinking "awhile ago". LOL

Oh well, it was last year, no wonder I had a hard time finding it.

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?t=152268

EDIT: And, btw, I misremembered exactly how they got the DP, but they got the DP.

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This happens occasionally. It's actually a really SMART play by the defense.

BTW: http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2...ns_blockb.html

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As reported by MLB.com's Joe Frisaro earlier this evening, the Pirates, Red Sox and Marlins appear to be moving closer to making a blockbuster trade that would send Jason Bay to Boston, Jeremy Hermida to Pittsburgh and Manny Ramirez to Florida.
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More news on this...there's a couple of possibilities here. One thing mentioned was Jed Lowrie being sent to Pittsburgh with Jack Wilson heading to Boston.

I like Lowrie and Wilson. But I really like Bay

Will Carroll says The Commissioner’s Office has been informed of a deal involving the Pirates, Red Sox, and Marlins.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Will Carroll says The Commissioner’s Office has been informed of a deal involving the Pirates, Red Sox, and Marlins.

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unlikely since manny's still in the game.

Yea, but it is almost over. Francona probably does not even know about it

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Originally Posted by dickay

unlikely since manny's still in the game.

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Being informed of a deal doesn't mean it's completed. As the link goes on to say, there's still prospects to be sorted out, and it could still fall apart.

Heh, can anybody else get to the BP link I provided? It seems like the sites just stopped working...and I also see that Rotoworld has linked to it. So much traffic crash the server? :p

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Heh, can anybody else get to the BP link I provided? It seems like the sites just stopped working...and I also see that Rotoworld has linked to it. So much traffic crash the server? :p

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I was able to use it

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Being informed of a deal doesn't mean it's completed. As the link goes on to say, there's still prospects to be sorted out, and it could still fall apart.

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why would it go to the commishioners office if its not been agreed to? all i'm saying is its unlikely to have been submitted 'at this point' to the commishioners office. I"m not saying its unlikely to happen, who knows?:confused:;)

I went there so he knows what is going on and can get ready to make a decision if it goes through. Maybe it has been finished.

BoSox get:
Jason Bay
Jack Wilson
Hector Correa

Pirates get:
Jeremy Hermida
Jed Lowrie
Hunter Jones
Jai Miller

Marlins get:
Manny Ramirez
John Grabow
6M in cash

This the deal? I ask as I cant get that link to open

No, teh Sox get Bay and Garbow. We don't know who the Marlins get except Manny. The Pirates get Hermida

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Originally Posted by etothep

BoSox get:
Jason Bay
Jack Wilson
Hector Correa

Pirates get:
Jeremy Hermida
Jed Lowrie
Hunter Jones
Jai Miller

Marlins get:
Manny Ramirez
John Grabow
6M in cash

this the deal? i ask as i cant get that link to work

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Carroll has it listed simply as:

Red Sox get Bay and Grabow
Marlins get Ramirez, cash, and a prospect from Boston
Pirates get Hermida, 2 Marlins prospects and 1 Red Sox prospect

I haven't seen any word on which prospects.

Houston, you could copy/paste the article. Its pretty short

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Originally Posted by dickay

why would it go to the commishioners office if its not been agreed to? all i'm saying is its unlikely to have been submitted 'at this point' to the commishioners office. I"m not saying its unlikely to happen, who knows?:confused:;)

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Informing the Commish's office could simply be saying "Hey, we're close to getting a deal done that's going to need your approval because it involves a lot of cash, so here's a heads up."

Carroll says, according to Rotoworld, that the deal has been agreed to, pending Ramirez waiving his no-trade and league approval.

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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies

Houston, you could copy/paste the article. Its pretty short

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I can't get to it, or anything on BP, right now, lol.

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

pending Ramirez waiving his no-trade and league approval.

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Haha, I'm gonna lose it if Manny vetoes the trade cause he doesn't want to play for the Marlins either

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Originally Posted by HoustonGM

I can't get to it, or anything on BP, right now, lol.

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Lol

I thought that...I can totally see that happening

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Originally Posted by filihok

I thought that...I can totally see that happening

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Idk, he does not seem to want to stay... I think he may do it. And Hanley is on the Marlins, and they are related.

Link's working now... for me anyway.