Wow, looks like the Angels may have obtained this guy. They had the west sewn up, now it looks like they may have just become the favorite to be World Series champs. :)
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Wow, looks like the Angels may have obtained this guy. They had the west sewn up, now it looks like they may have just become the favorite to be World Series champs. :)
Yep, reports are that Casey Kotchman got pulled from pre-game workouts, suggesting he's involved in the deal.
any links?Quote:
Originally Posted by OldFatGuy
Wow, no doubt that the Angels are the best team in the majors now.
Just heard this on Sportscenter. Angels STOLE Teixeira, great deal for LA.
Doesnt say much but here is a linkQuote:
Originally Posted by Wassit3
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/...trade_deadline
I won't go as far as say 'stole'. Kotch is a good young player who many feel has alot of upside and Tex is a rental. He has stated he will test the FA waters. Regardless, its a nice upgrade for the short term and I'm surprised ATL couldn't get more.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
tex for kotch & marek
Holy crap! I just realized Kotchman was only 25! I thought he was, like, 31 or something like that.
So, the deal is actually pretty fair now that I know that.
braves still lose, in my opinion, when you consider what they gave up last year for him
Sorry, I should've posted, but since someone above already did, I won't duplicate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wassit3
They had nothing to gain by keeping him though. With Hudson now likely done for the year, they had no shot at the playoffs. Kotchman and Marek are going to likely provide more value to the Braves than the compensation draft picks the Braves would've got for Tex leaving at the end of the year.
Hmm...so now I have to wonder...if the Dodgers had offered Loney and a "pitching prospect" for Tex, would I take it?
I think I would have to decline.
Good move for the Angels though
Hell yea!
:D
btw: http://trades.mlblogs.com/
Oh yeh, totally agree they had to trade him, just that the sum total of the Tex trades for Atl is in the negativeQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Did you factor in:589AB, 37HR, 134RBI, .295BA, .395OBP, .548SLG, .943OPS for the Braves?Quote:
Originally Posted by etothep
Considering it didn't help them to the playoffs, I don't think how well he performed really mattered.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Definitely a net-loss between the two deals for the Braves.
Tex didn't work out for the Braves, but getting Jurrjens for Renteria certainly has. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don't.
Don't worry, the Yankees will get Mark and CC in the offseason.
there not gay:p so noQuote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
:rolleyes:
Don't forget, Manny too. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
Naw, Manny will go to the Mets as I predicted...Quote:
Originally Posted by robinhoodnik
it's very doubtful since I've heard that the Yanks want to have a payroll under $200 million next year. if they go for Sabathia and Texiara it'll be near $250 mill for next season. i's rebuilding time for the yankees and i don't mean but every availbe free agent on the off season either.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannymac910
How come every time there's good young free agents the Yankees. "Don't wanna spend the money."
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Originally Posted by dannymac910
It's not that they aren't interested but everytime the Yankees are "supposedly interested in X or Y" the player's demands go up ;) btw they need OF not a 1B
Also there is now a possibility that Posada will never recover fully to re-catch forcing him (& his contract) to 1B :)
fix'dQuote:
Originally Posted by FRENCHREDSOX
That would be a really really reaaaaaaallly stupid decision on the Yankees part.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnstonecold
So basically the Braves traded:
Jarrod Saltalamacchia
Beau Jones
Elvis andrus
Matt Harrison
Neftali Feliz
For:
Casey Kotchman
Stephen Marek
Now i dont know exactly how good the prospects are but i do no that Salty was the centerpiece of the (1st) Texeria trade. I know that some people are starting to call Salty a bust and his stats aren't great. So were the trades a bit unfair for the Braves, yes but i wouldn't say they got robbed. Every trade is a bit unfair
So Mahay, Saltalamacchia, Jones, Andrus, Harrison, and Feliz for Kotchman, Marek, and this player (589AB, 37HR, 134RBI, .295BA, .395OBP, .548SLG, .943OPS).Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
I think you'd have to consider making that deal. The braves aquired a fair amount of talent in the two deals.
But they definitely lost more than they gained....
I absolutely positively disagree that they DEFINATELY lost more than they gained.
They gained two major league hitters. One of which, Tex, had a damn good year in Atlanta, for a relief pitcher, and some prospects who may or may not make it.
It might be late but I voice my opinion that the Angels are now the favorites in the American League.
Once the bats get hot in LA there might be no stopping this team. Vlad, Hunter, Tex are pretty wicked. not to mention Garrett Anderson and Gary Matthews
The Red Sox need to do something if they want to catch up and go back to the series.
And I agree with Filihok the Braves haven't lost this deal yet. Let these prospects pan out. Tex is a rental in LA he will go free agency. Kotchman is one of the better young players. I personally think we should see what pans out with the players moved before we start declaring winners and losers.
The Angels look really good, with Tex joining a lineup that already had a FINALLY producing Vlad Guerrero in the middle of it. And, considering everyone sees the Sox as the kings of the AL...Anaheim is 7-1 against them so far this year.
I'm happy...they were my Series pick. I could potentially make some pretty solid coin. :D
Considering that they only had "this player" for about a season and he didn't get them to the playoffs I don't think it really matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Basically they paid a bounty for a king (Teixeira) and got a prince once it was all said and done (Kotchman).
Tex did his part, because the rest of the team didn't produce and had all kind of injuries and was over rated doesn't lessen Tex's valueQuote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
I never said it didn't, but has the talent they got from him paid off in anyway other than trading away a couple superior prospects for basically an average 1B (Kotchman) and a RP prospect that may or may not become anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Can't tell you how bummed I am about this trade. Tex is an Annapolis kid; he grew up loving the O's and wanted desperately for Angelos to swing a deal that would bring him home before he went to Atlanta - but then again, this is Angelos. And you can see how well we do with him at the helm.
By the way:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...ixeira-trades/
Quote:
In retrospect, the decision to trade for Mark Teixeira at the 2007 trade deadline looks like a poor decision for the Atlanta Braves. They were not able to make the playoffs in 2007 and have struggled in 2008, leading to the recent decision to trade Teixeira to the Angels for Casey Kotchman and pitching prospect Stephen Marek. While it is easy to criticize the Braves now, a more accurate evaluation of the Braves decision requires us to look at the trades with only the information the Braves could have had at the time of their trades. By doing this, we can try and determine if the Braves made a good decision, regardless of the bad outcome that occurred for them. Obviously that is easier for us to do with the more recent trade to the Angels that the Braves made.