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Phillips knows much more about baseball today, and how to run a team and gives good insight, while Joe Morgan and his annoying voice say all sorts of crap. Here's to Phillips replacing Morgan on ESPN baseball broadcasts! (or better yet, just make him the commish of the MLB!)
I watched Sunday Night Baseball with Jon Miller and Steve Phillips/Orel Hershiser. Gotta say, much better. I wasn't so aggravated.
Phillips and Hershiser even get some jabs in - with Dan Schulman last night, they said they have a clause in their contract to only work with bald play-by-play guys now. Funny!
I know Phillips can be stupid sometimes, and talk beyond his knowledge, but taht's better than hearing about Sheff, Cano, and the big red machine in 1975 ad nauseum.
I don't think either of them are good. I've never gotten any good insight from Steve Phillips, unless you count calling Cliff Lee in April of 2006 the best left-handed pitcher in the game...you know, when Johan Santana was at his peak.
Maybe he does have some crazy time machine that allows him to view the future though, because he did predict "This young guy is coming into his own as a pitcher. I think over the next few years, he's going to emerge as one of the best lefties in the game. There's no question about it. This kid has dominating stuff. He can get the strikeout. He gets the ground balls, and he pitches in big games. Cliff Lee, developing into one of the best lefties in the game." It happened, two years and a trip to the minor leagues later.
Then there was saying Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik was a great trade for both sides, saying that the Yankees should trade Phil Hughes to the Reds for Jared Burton, saying that pitchers "earn their run support", saying "And by the way, he's a free agent. 20% spike. They have done a survey and it's quantifiable. 20% spike. Guys that are in their survey year", whatever the hell that means, and all his other nonsensical "suggestions" to teams.
He's horrible. Just as bad as Joe Morgan, minus the obsession with "back in my day on the Reds". I'd rather not listen to either.
Steve Phillips is a freaking M O R O N! I don't see how ANYONE can stand him, honestly. He has ZERO insight whatsoever, and his opinions are terrible. Pretty much EVERY suggestion/comment/predicted he has said, has been just flat out wrong (99.9% of the time).
Joe Morgan is still worse, even if what you said was true.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolzach1
Phillips is fine, about what I expect from a guy paid to fill time talking on the TV.
Most people who have issues with him are Mets fans, he still has his flaws but really you don't have to be faster than the bear only faster than the other guy.
Steve Phillips is replacing Joe Morgan?
If so,
HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!
I'd rather hear from Mr. Kazmir for Zambrano then from Mr. If You've Forgotten Since Yesterday's Broadcast- I Once Played For The Big Red Machine!
:D
my thoughts exactely, but sadly, this is just wishful thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
How sad is baseball commentary today that we have to hope for someone as good as Steve Phillips on our leading sports national network?
Two words: Rem-Dawg. I could listen to him all day. Good observations, good player, funny as heck in the booth. Even if your observational skills were only 'just okay', as long as you can add the humor to the color commentary role, you win. Joe Morgan is the commentary equivalent of a rice cake.
I think I have the perfect solution; Tim McCarver. He doesn't get to say anything, but in addition to the game caller, you also hear someone strangling McCarver. For the entire broadcast. Oh man I would love that.
Gary,Keith,and Ron are AMAZING broadcasters. You'd think that Keith and Ron would just be gimmicks to get people to watch, but they offer great insight to their playing years without being Joe Morgan obsessive/annoying, and they criticize the team when they are playing crappy and praise when the team is playing good.
Rem-Dawg is definately my favorite, and he and Orsollo provide great moments. And, is Morgan really leaving!?!!?! YAAAAAY
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Originally Posted by RedsoxRockies
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As long as that Riley character never announces a home run derby again in this lifetime I will be happy.
Maybe we should just get Joe Buck to do every single network's calls. I still favor him over any ESPN caster.
Neither Phillips or Morgan are very insightful, and you can throw McCarver into that mix as well. But if I had a choice of the three, I'd definitely take Phillips over Morgan's ramblings about the Big Red Machine (We get it Joe, you played for the Big Red Machine and you made the Hall of Fame, undeservingly IMO, give it a rest) and McCarver's constant, blatant slobbering over the Yankees. I remember watching a Red Sox - Yankees game where he criticized the Red Sox starter, Wakefield I believe, for making a few pickoff throws to first base, saying he was worrying about it too much or some stupid sh!t, and praised the Yankees for the same exact thing later in the game, saying it was a good job of trying to keep the running game under control.
Oh god I hate McCarver.
The color guy for the Fox Sports Rocky Mountain is a former catcher who played with a billion clubs and he constantly rambles about his playing days. It's kind of annoying.
The best announcer i've heard is the Rockies radio announcer on 850 KOA. He deserves a medal in how well he announces the game. I'm always interested.
Hershiser can have his moments but I don't like him either.
I think it was. Especially, since I'm guessing he said it during the Sox series run. Podsednik for that one year was a vital cog in a world series team. He played a big role in winning that championship. Lee had much better stats. But in the end what did the Brewers get out of it? We ended up trading "EL Fat Ass" for melon head Mench, Cordero & Nix. Mench did more harm then good, Cordero had a good season then he left as a FA. And Nix is boozing it down in AAA. It think it really benefitted both teams.Quote:
Then there was saying Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik was a great trade for both sides
Woah. I hate Joe the Announcer as much as anybody, but how in the world was he undeservingly elected to the Hall of Fame? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
Podsednik in 2005 was no different than Podsednik in any other year except 2003, when he was very good. He was only a "vital cog" in the sense that he played for the team. He sucked, and the White Sox would've very likely performed just as well, if not better, with Carlos Lee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
FJM's entry about this particular comment. I think it benefitted the Brewers way more than it benefitted the White Sox, who got a couple years of crappy hitting and one year of solid relief from Luis Vizcaino, while the Brewers got one year of solid hitting, half a year of good hitting, and then leveraged that to a year and a half of excellent relief and an okay bench stick for a year.
Sorry about getting off topic here, but are the Mets, Yankees, and Red Sox the only three teams who do not broadcast games on Fox Sports (I dont even get FSN in NYC anymore, I get something called MSG+ which shows the exact same programs, but still)?
I know the Mets have SNY, the Yankees have YES, and the Sox have NESN (Is NESN an affiliate of FSN?)
Wait, I don't think Peachtree (Braves network) is an affiliate of FSN either.
So being the leadoff hitter on a World series team doesn't matter:rolleyes:. Carlos Lee was a problem in the locker room. That's the reason he was shipped out of town. Podsednik was great for their chemistry and Chicago needed a leadoff hitter. He was the ignitator of that team. But I forget that the cool thing nowadays is to say that stuff like chemistry, intangables, etc don't matter. All that matters is some goofy stats that most people can't even understand. * sigh* Speaking of 2003 how did he not win ROY?? If I remeber correctly they gave it to Dontrelle. What a travesty that was.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
BTW. Mench was never anything close to being an okay bench stick. the guy was trash. Stats wise and personality wise. All he did was whine. Yost and Melvin couldn't wait to get him out of town.
Yeah, clearly, a .333 OBP with 0 power over the 3 years out of the leadoff spot is outstanding and really helpful, and is so much better than 30 homers, a .350 OBP, and a .500 slugging percentage, which are just goofy stats that most people can't even understand. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
Sorry, but no amount of "intangibles" can make up for the gigantic difference in production between Carlos Lee and Scott Podsednik. I have a hard time believing that Carlos Lee was such an ass that the entire team was brought down by him, and getting rid of him and replacing him with a offensive blackhole resulted in a boon in production.
The real travesty was that Brandon Webb didn't win that award.Quote:
Speaking of 2003 how did he not win ROY?? If I remeber correctly they gave it to Dontrelle. What a travesty that was.
I don't know about the personality side, but a guy that could hit lefties at a .900 OPS clip is an okay bench stick. Ned Yost just insisted on playing him vs. righties too much, which brought his overall stats down a ton. As a lefty masher off the bench, Mench is certainly fine. He just shouldn't be hitting against righties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
That's because Mench whined so damn much. From spring training he cried all season about not wanting to be a platoon guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I'm pretty sure that a few teams have fallen off the FSN road. Sox, Yankees, Mets, Braves, Cubs, White Sox to name a few that I know off the top of my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Mostly, the large market teams like the big boys in the AL and NL East and the Chicago teams probably won't have a FSN station because the team or city can support it's own station based off fan support.
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
Now your just twisting stuff around. Look at his stats for 2005 when the White Sox won the series. I don't care about his production the last couple of years. I'll take one year of being the spark plug on a W.S. champion team over 1 1/2 of good hitting on a below average team. Why do think the White Sox made that trade. Look at Scotties numbers in 2004 their horrible except for the SB. Then look at Lee's numbers in 2004. They were desperate to get him out of town because he was becoming a cancer. I think it goes without saying that the White Sox personnel would know just a little bit more than you about the situation:rolleyes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Slightly better than he did the last two years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
Because, clearly, Scott Podsednik is what made the White Sox the World Series champions, and Carlos Lee is the reason the Brewers were below average. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. Obviously, you'd rather the team with the World Series, but what's that have to do with two individual players? I'd rather a year and a half of good hitting than one year of a .350 OBP with speed and no power whatsoever. What the rest of the team does is irrelevent to the evaluation of the two players.Quote:
I'll take one year of being the spark plug on a W.S. champion team over 1 1/2 of good hitting on a below average team.
I'll take your word for it that it was because Carlos Lee was a nuisance in the clubhouse. It certainly had little to do with their respective performance and expected future performence...Quote:
Why do think the White Sox made that trade.
As these numbers attest too.Quote:
Look at Scotties numbers in 2004 their horrible except for the SB. Then look at Lee's numbers in 2004.
Fine, they made the trade because they didn't want Carlos Lee in the clubhouse. This doesn't mean it was a good trade in baseball terms, though.Quote:
They were desperate to get him out of town because he was becoming a cancer. I think it goes without saying that the White Sox personnel would know just a little bit more than you about the situation:rolleyes:.
The White Sox winning the World Series had next to nothing to do with their offense. Their offense was worse than it was the year before (replacing Carlos Lee with Scott Podsednik will do that). It had nearly everything to do with their outstanding pitching, and I'm not willing to credit Scott Podsednik with intangibly infusing Buerhle, Garcia, Contreras, and Garland with health and good pitching ability.
Not to throw you guys off topic in your debate...but in Colorado I have a nickname for ol' Scotty.
Scott Podsucknik.
it's not clever. I know.
but he hasn't been anything for the Rockies this season.
You gotta give it to him. He's remarkably consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989
If Charlie Finley was alive and owned the Rockies, I think Podsednik would be the next Herb Washington :D He'd actually be good as a pinch runner...
And, is Charlie Finley (the owner) related to Chuck Finley (the pitcher)?
It is very relevent what the team did. Do you think White Sox fans sit around thinking they got raped in that deal. No I don't think so. I think they're damn happy with their title and the role Podsednik played in it.Quote:
Because, clearly, Scott Podsednik is what made the White Sox the World Series champions, and Carlos Lee is the reason the Brewers were below average. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. Obviously, you'd rather the team with the World Series, but what's that have to do with two individual players? I'd rather a year and a half of good hitting than one year of a .350 OBP with speed and no power whatsoever. What the rest of the team does is irrelevent to the evaluation of the two players.
:confused: yes it does. Like I said before some people have a hard beleiving anything but statstics. Chicago obviously felt they couldn't win a championship with Lee on the roster. They obvioudly felt that the trade would benefit their team. Looks like they were right as they won a championship and well, Lee left for huge money in a 1 1/2 anyway.Quote:
Fine, they made the trade because they didn't want Carlos Lee in the clubhouse. This doesn't mean it was a good trade in baseball terms, though.
If Charlie Finley were alive and owning the Rockies I may be forced to like the Padres.
The Rockies would be pitching with yellow balls and designated pinch runners (such as Scotty Pods) would be running the bases and we would be walking everyone at the plate (Not just Corpas, either!) with only 3 balls and say goodbye to the humidor.
Winning a World Series tends to allow poor moves to go unnoticed and uncared for, and that's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
Now, I'm not saying the move was poor in all, because if Carlos Lee was such a huge ass that everybody on the team hated him (which I don't believe it was that bad), than it was fine.
This trade had next to nothing to do with the team winning the World Series, unless you believe that Scott Podsednik single-handedly made the top 4 pitchers in the White Sox rotation healthy and very good all season, and made a couple relievers all have outrageous career years.Quote:
:confused: yes it does. Like I said before some people have a hard beleiving anything but statstics. Chicago obviously felt they couldn't win a championship with Lee on the roster. They obvioudly felt that the trade would benefit their team. Looks like they were right as they won a championship and well, Lee left for huge money in a 1 1/2 anyway.
Just because the White Sox won the World Series doesn't mean that every move they made prior to the championship year was a good one.
Wait- someone on Earth would trade Scott Podsednik for Carlos Lee?
You've gotta be freaking kidding me!
I'm sure moving Lee's fat ass out of town helped the defense. I remember that year well. I have a subscription to the Chicago tribune as well as the Milwaukee paper. ( I like to keep an eye on the enemy) I remeber that year how everyone from commentators to the players were praising Podsednik. How he was a great influence, sparked the team etc, etc. You can spout statistics all you want I don't care. Podsednik played a big role on a world series champion bottom line. If I was a Chicago fan I'll take that trade anyday:)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Definitely, but not as much as it hurt the offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
So it obviously must be true than that influence and "sparking" is better than...offense.Quote:
I remeber that year how everyone from commentators to the players were praising Podsednik. How he was a great influence, sparked the team etc, etc.
K. And you won't ever convince me that being a "sparkplug" is better for winning baseball games than...being good at hitting.Quote:
You can spout statistics all you want I don't care.
Than we'll just have to agree to disagree. He played solid defense in left field, and sucked offensively, and fine, was a great influence in the clubhouse. If that's your definition of a "big role", than fine. But I'd say that nearly the entire reason the White Sox won the World Series was....their pitching.Quote:
Podsednik played a big role on a world series champion bottom line.
I'll take the World Series win, which has little to do with the trade. But whatever.Quote:
If I was a Chicago fan I'll take that trade anyday:)
December 13, 2004 - The White Sox traded Carlos Lee to the Brewers for Scott Podsednik, Luis Vizcaino, and a minor leaguer that never did anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
59 SB .290AVG .351OBP. That's sucking for a leadoff hitter:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
That's nothing special for a leadoff hitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
Also, don't forget to mention that he had ZERO power whatsoever, which yes, does matter, and he got caught stealing 23 times for a not-so-great success rate of 71%.