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Oh god I hate McCarver.
The color guy for the Fox Sports Rocky Mountain is a former catcher who played with a billion clubs and he constantly rambles about his playing days. It's kind of annoying.
The best announcer i've heard is the Rockies radio announcer on 850 KOA. He deserves a medal in how well he announces the game. I'm always interested.
Hershiser can have his moments but I don't like him either.
I think it was. Especially, since I'm guessing he said it during the Sox series run. Podsednik for that one year was a vital cog in a world series team. He played a big role in winning that championship. Lee had much better stats. But in the end what did the Brewers get out of it? We ended up trading "EL Fat Ass" for melon head Mench, Cordero & Nix. Mench did more harm then good, Cordero had a good season then he left as a FA. And Nix is boozing it down in AAA. It think it really benefitted both teams.Quote:
Then there was saying Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik was a great trade for both sides
Woah. I hate Joe the Announcer as much as anybody, but how in the world was he undeservingly elected to the Hall of Fame? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by YEAH DAAAAWG
Podsednik in 2005 was no different than Podsednik in any other year except 2003, when he was very good. He was only a "vital cog" in the sense that he played for the team. He sucked, and the White Sox would've very likely performed just as well, if not better, with Carlos Lee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
FJM's entry about this particular comment. I think it benefitted the Brewers way more than it benefitted the White Sox, who got a couple years of crappy hitting and one year of solid relief from Luis Vizcaino, while the Brewers got one year of solid hitting, half a year of good hitting, and then leveraged that to a year and a half of excellent relief and an okay bench stick for a year.
Sorry about getting off topic here, but are the Mets, Yankees, and Red Sox the only three teams who do not broadcast games on Fox Sports (I dont even get FSN in NYC anymore, I get something called MSG+ which shows the exact same programs, but still)?
I know the Mets have SNY, the Yankees have YES, and the Sox have NESN (Is NESN an affiliate of FSN?)
Wait, I don't think Peachtree (Braves network) is an affiliate of FSN either.
So being the leadoff hitter on a World series team doesn't matter:rolleyes:. Carlos Lee was a problem in the locker room. That's the reason he was shipped out of town. Podsednik was great for their chemistry and Chicago needed a leadoff hitter. He was the ignitator of that team. But I forget that the cool thing nowadays is to say that stuff like chemistry, intangables, etc don't matter. All that matters is some goofy stats that most people can't even understand. * sigh* Speaking of 2003 how did he not win ROY?? If I remeber correctly they gave it to Dontrelle. What a travesty that was.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
BTW. Mench was never anything close to being an okay bench stick. the guy was trash. Stats wise and personality wise. All he did was whine. Yost and Melvin couldn't wait to get him out of town.
Yeah, clearly, a .333 OBP with 0 power over the 3 years out of the leadoff spot is outstanding and really helpful, and is so much better than 30 homers, a .350 OBP, and a .500 slugging percentage, which are just goofy stats that most people can't even understand. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
Sorry, but no amount of "intangibles" can make up for the gigantic difference in production between Carlos Lee and Scott Podsednik. I have a hard time believing that Carlos Lee was such an ass that the entire team was brought down by him, and getting rid of him and replacing him with a offensive blackhole resulted in a boon in production.
The real travesty was that Brandon Webb didn't win that award.Quote:
Speaking of 2003 how did he not win ROY?? If I remeber correctly they gave it to Dontrelle. What a travesty that was.
I don't know about the personality side, but a guy that could hit lefties at a .900 OPS clip is an okay bench stick. Ned Yost just insisted on playing him vs. righties too much, which brought his overall stats down a ton. As a lefty masher off the bench, Mench is certainly fine. He just shouldn't be hitting against righties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
That's because Mench whined so damn much. From spring training he cried all season about not wanting to be a platoon guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I'm pretty sure that a few teams have fallen off the FSN road. Sox, Yankees, Mets, Braves, Cubs, White Sox to name a few that I know off the top of my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Mostly, the large market teams like the big boys in the AL and NL East and the Chicago teams probably won't have a FSN station because the team or city can support it's own station based off fan support.
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
Now your just twisting stuff around. Look at his stats for 2005 when the White Sox won the series. I don't care about his production the last couple of years. I'll take one year of being the spark plug on a W.S. champion team over 1 1/2 of good hitting on a below average team. Why do think the White Sox made that trade. Look at Scotties numbers in 2004 their horrible except for the SB. Then look at Lee's numbers in 2004. They were desperate to get him out of town because he was becoming a cancer. I think it goes without saying that the White Sox personnel would know just a little bit more than you about the situation:rolleyes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Slightly better than he did the last two years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frijolito
Because, clearly, Scott Podsednik is what made the White Sox the World Series champions, and Carlos Lee is the reason the Brewers were below average. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. Obviously, you'd rather the team with the World Series, but what's that have to do with two individual players? I'd rather a year and a half of good hitting than one year of a .350 OBP with speed and no power whatsoever. What the rest of the team does is irrelevent to the evaluation of the two players.Quote:
I'll take one year of being the spark plug on a W.S. champion team over 1 1/2 of good hitting on a below average team.
I'll take your word for it that it was because Carlos Lee was a nuisance in the clubhouse. It certainly had little to do with their respective performance and expected future performence...Quote:
Why do think the White Sox made that trade.
As these numbers attest too.Quote:
Look at Scotties numbers in 2004 their horrible except for the SB. Then look at Lee's numbers in 2004.
Fine, they made the trade because they didn't want Carlos Lee in the clubhouse. This doesn't mean it was a good trade in baseball terms, though.Quote:
They were desperate to get him out of town because he was becoming a cancer. I think it goes without saying that the White Sox personnel would know just a little bit more than you about the situation:rolleyes:.
The White Sox winning the World Series had next to nothing to do with their offense. Their offense was worse than it was the year before (replacing Carlos Lee with Scott Podsednik will do that). It had nearly everything to do with their outstanding pitching, and I'm not willing to credit Scott Podsednik with intangibly infusing Buerhle, Garcia, Contreras, and Garland with health and good pitching ability.
Not to throw you guys off topic in your debate...but in Colorado I have a nickname for ol' Scotty.
Scott Podsucknik.
it's not clever. I know.
but he hasn't been anything for the Rockies this season.
You gotta give it to him. He's remarkably consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by OregonDuck1989