His opinion seemed to be that pitchers in general shouldn't win the MVP, not just LeeQuote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
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His opinion seemed to be that pitchers in general shouldn't win the MVP, not just LeeQuote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
Well, sure, in theory. The Cy Young Award has become an award with great stature, like the MVP. The Cy was created because position players almost always won the MVP, and the best pitchers weren't being given any awards. So if a pitcher wins the Cy and the MVP, where is the award to the best hitter? The Silver Slugger? That's an award with nowhere near the stature and prestige of the Cy Young and MVP awards.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
If pitchers can win the MVP, then hitters should be eligible for the Cy Young Award. :D
If that's the case, the definitions of the award need to be changed. As they stand now, it's completely wrong to not let a pitcher win the MVP, because the definitions of the award specifically state that a pitcher CAN win the MVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by knicks0929
His peripheral statistics match up nearly exactly with his overall stats. He's changed himself as a pitcher. He's walking a lot less, striking out a lot more, and inducing a lot more groundballs.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Fine...Tony Pena's 1 IP 1 K isn't gonna get him the awardQuote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
I know it was just really funny. Cook is having a nice quiet 13-6 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
The funny thing is Cook could be 15-6 if the bullpen hadn't blow 2 games.
I understand the opinion that there should be a seperate hitter's award and a seperate pitcher's award, but the fact of the matter is that, as the definitions of the awards currently stand, pitchers ARE eligible for the MVP, and thus, they should NOT be discounted, and in my opinion, any writer that refuses to vote for a pitcher simply because he's a pitcher should be barred from voting for future awards due to a blatant disregard of the rules that specifically state that pitchers are eligible for the MVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
I prefer seeing position players winning the MVP, but I don't see a pitcher (or position player) winning the MVP on not just a non-playoff team, but a last place team...Still have a hard time believing A-rod won it w/ Texas
I suppose I agree with this. They definitely ought to change the definition. Either there ought to be two separate awards, or one encompassing one. It's redundant for a pitcher to be able to win the Cy Young and the MVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
You know what I have never understood.....the MVP is almost never given to a player on a last place or even a team that doesn't make the playoffs but the sportswriters dont care if a Cy Young winner is pitching for the 2003 Tigers or the 2001 Mariners
Yes, but he will still probably regress.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
This is because of the opinion, held by numerous sportsrwiters, that, somehow, a player's "value" changes depending on the play of the teammates that surround him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sox Fan 734
I'm not so sure that he'll regress all that much this year. People have been saying that since his hot start, and he's just been plugging along.Quote:
Originally Posted by knicks0929
I don't think he'll ever repeat a year like he's had this year in the future, but I could easily see him with 20 wins and an ERA below 2.50 at the end of the year.
It's b/c, in my mind, a player turned a horribly crappy team into just a crappy team. So no, I don't like seeing teams on bad teams win. Not saying the MVP or Cy Young winners have to be on playoff teams, but they should at least be on competitive teamsQuote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
It's that word "valuable" that throws writers for a loop. Somehow a few of them have concluded that "value" does not necessarily equate with actual performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sox Fan 734