What do you guys think about Cliff Lee for MVP. This guy has been something special this year.
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What do you guys think about Cliff Lee for MVP. This guy has been something special this year.
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It's certainly a possibility that he ends up as the most valuable player in the AL, but I don't think he has much of a shot of actually winning the vote.
Pitchers shouldn't be winning the MVP, IMO...
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
He might get some votes. And deserves them. But highly doubtful he'll win. There are already those out there that don't think a pitcher deserves to be MVP. And there are those out there that don't think a non-playoff team should have the MVP. Add those two together and Lee won't win MVP.
I agree but if one player can win over 30% of there games. That is pretty impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
There are only a few pitchers in the history of the sport I felt that should have won the MVP in the league. (1995- Randy Johnson)
Plus what Cliff Lee has done this year...he has a shot at MVP. If he countinues this, above or below 30% wins. He has a shot.
Buster Olney (Or someone on Baseball Tonight) said that if the Rockies make the playoffs and if Cook keeps pitching the way he is it would be more likely for Cook to win the MVP than the Cy Young. Because he carried the team into the playoffs on his back.
Because they have the Cy Young Award. And since a hitter can't win the Cy Young Award, pitchers shouldn't be able to win the MVP award, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
What's this guy's record? Maybe he'd be good for the Cy Young, but Cliff Lee is normally just an OK player, so how is he doing this year?
Yep. That's why I don't see him actually winning, even though he has a legitimate shot at actually being the most valuable player.Quote:
Originally Posted by filihok
Pedro Martinez, 1999. He was jobbed out of it by two voters that didn't even place him on their ballot AT ALL because he was a pitcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by boomboom
I've never really understood why a pitcher would win MVP. Sure, pitchers are sometimes the most valuable players in the league. In fact, I think it probably happens far more often than people realize. But we have two separate awards: Cy Young and MVP. The way I see it, the former awards the most valuable pitcher and the latter awards the most valuable position player. I don't see why people treat the MVP as the superior award.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
Holy crapp!!! 14-2? That's really good, but I think he's gonna dip now, he isn't historically good.
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Originally Posted by knicks0929
THAT's why they should win. The most valuable player should win the most valuable player award, no?
Just curious, why do you have an opinion when you don't even know what he has done this season. And what he has done in the past has nothing to do with this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/leecl02.shtml
LOL. There is absolutely no way that Cook, or any NL pitcher, is winning the MVP award. The only reason Lee has a shot is because of the relative lack of outstanding position players in the AL this year. The NL has no shortage of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockiesfan4ever
Well, than the definition of the awards need to be changed. Instead of the Most Valuable Player, it should be changed to the Most Valuable Position Player. As it is right now, its the most valuable PLAYER and it's not an award just for position players. Pitchers are eligible, and thus SHOULD be taken into account.Quote:
Originally Posted by metsguy234
Ridiculously good.Quote:
What's this guy's record? Maybe he'd be good for the Cy Young, but Cliff Lee is normally just an OK player, so how is he doing this year?
agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by filihok