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You don't win 4 World Series in 5 years and make the playoffs for 12 consecutive years without being well-run. That Hank Steinbrenner is a loudmouth that doesn't know when to shut up doesn't mean anything in whether or not they're a smart, well-run organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelb1
When I say "I don't think they're particularly well-run..I obviously am referring to the present. 8 years is a long time in Baseball. As far as making the playoffs go....when you have a team full of all-stars you just need a handful to play to their potential to get to 95 or so wins. Last year Wang and Rodriguez carried the Yanks. This year it has been Giambi (finally) and Damon.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
A well-run organization wouldn't keep starting the year off playing .350-.450 ball and having to sprint the final 50 games. That kills your team when you get to the playoffs and have to play quality opponents.
The Yankees are on the hook to Jeter until 2011!! Carl Pavano...Randy Johnson....Roger Clemens (Last years version)...the 20 million they paid Giambi last year to play half a season and hit .236....the entire way the Rodriguez contract--which in th end will prove a huge waste of money-- was handled. FIRING the very manager they had that did everything you listed (playoffs....rings...etc)
This isn't a slam on the Yankees. I just don't think they're particularly well-run.
Every team makes bad moves. It doesn't mean they aren't well-run.
And a technicality, they didn't fire Joe Torre. They made him an offer to resign and he turned it down.
Jeter's value goes far beyond the field. He's earning that money.Quote:
The Yankees are on the hook to Jeter until 2011!
They would have done him better by just telling him they weren't going to bring him back. The offer was a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonGM
I can understand people saying the Yanks are well run. I can understand the argument otherwise...yes during the 90's they were great. But something has to be said about the near 2 'B'illion they've spent since 2000 with no hardware to show for it. Yes every team makes bad moves....the Yanks throw their money around and make more bad moves than any team in the game. They can afford to....to a point. And they've gone beyond that point, hence no titles and a team that is a mess right now.
Everyone keeps saying that but they won't spell it out...are you telling me they're paying him 20 million for his leadership, and Eckstein Qutiont Grittyocity?Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms_law
The nicest people I met in NYC were the foreigners working the doors at the hotels where I was working. One of the guys even moved our van around the block for us every time a cop came along. Most were Africans, and spoke English perfectly, were polite, and intelligent. A nice change from the cavemen we were used to dealing with everywhere else that filthy hole of a city.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joba_Rules
Sleeping? They were probably in on it. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by twinsGM
95 north, leaving New York, the only time in my life that I've ever been happy to pay a toll. Really, if NYC was so great, wouldn't you have to pay to get in ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joba_Rules
And, as for the rowdy after parties, those are made up mostly of non-local jackasses attending college in Boston. It's become so bad that the city is now trying to force the local schools to hold their students accountable for the damage they do. The cops catch 'em screwing up, their names go to the deans office of whatever school they're attending for disciplinary action.
I think ohms was referring to his marketability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelb1
The mess of a team since 2000: A team that's consistently won over 90 games a year, made the playoffs each year, sold out their stadium (and those of the rest of the league) regularly and set attendance records, and been the most profitable and most valuable organization in American professional sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
That's what can be said the $2 billion they've spent, because that's what professional sports is about. No titles? As long as fan support is there -- and it is, because they've remained a winning team that's interesting and exciting to watch -- what's important is that every year during that period they've been in the hunt for a title. What fan of any other team in any sport would complain that they haven't won a championship in seven years? What other team that in the past ten years has been in the final matchup for a championship five times and won it three times, been among the final ten teams in the playoffs (recognizing that in some sports just "making the playoffs" is a pretty minor accomplishment) and is currently in the mix for that once again, would anyone call "a mess?"
Really the kind of criticism that people attempt to toss at the Yankee organization is often just plain silly.
I'd much rather have a team willing to take risks such as the yanks' signings of randy johnson, pavano, etc than a team like the nats whose owner hoards all the money & is more concerned with lining his own pockets than fielding a competitive team. Heck the Royals' owner, David Glass, was wealthy enough to straight up buy the team w/ no outside investors or bank loans (just sold some of his wal-mart stocks), but he can't afford to sign more free agents than Gil Meche, or at least re-sign more young Royals players?Quote:
Originally Posted by dickay
So obviously only a badly-run team would sign a team full of all-stars, because only incompetent team owners would want to win 95 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelb1
Yep, I just looked up "poorly run baseball team" in my dictionary, and it says "any team that takes action that results in winning 95 or more games in a season."
I think that poor signings is what was meant. The Yankees have made a bunch of them of late too. Sox also, but the Yanks trump the Sox in yet another area. :p